Bloomberg on the proposed Muslim community center

[ResearchMonkey]

No, Americans want to preserve the American ideal of religious freedom.

And sharia law is not compatible with any other religions, we are trying to preserve poli-religious freedoms. Until Islam shows itself to be tolerant and 21st century compatible, we just don't have room for it among our melting pot. I suggest they make an effort to show us the societal benefits and tolerance of Islam on their home turf first.

No, most Muslims are pretty tolerant. You, not so much.

I'd like to see prove that with real world events that demonstrate your claim.

Blatant lie, did you think nobody would check your facts again? We've had terrorism directed against Muslims and Mosques in the last few weeks. I'll just say these people are mainstream Tea Party extremists. We should limit all Tea Partiers freedoms now right? Is that how you do it? Just make shit up and type it right?

Yeah right. You are the one who prescribed killing conservatives, right? Nice commie thinking.

You keep trying to project this image of the violent and racist TeaParty, but you have nothing. You keep repeating this like it will eventually be accepted as truth (Alinsky much?) -- Any race tensions are being manufactured for political gains by your peeps.

 

[spike]

And sharia law is not compatible with any other religions

Actually there's a ton of similarity between Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

Until Islam shows itself to be tolerant and 21st century compatible, we just don't have room for it among our melting pot.

Islam has shown itself to be 21st century compatible and has been part of our melting pot since the 1600s.

I suggest they make an effort to show us the societal benefits and tolerance of Islam on their home turf first.

Millions have showed their tolerance and societal benefits on their home turf right here in the US already.

I'd like to see prove that with real world events that demonstrate your claim.

You hate an entire religion including millions of Americans based on irrational bigotry.

Yeah right. You are the one who prescribed killing conservatives, right? Nice commie thinking.

You made that up. I suggested it would be more reasonable to kill or deport people that attacked our core American values of religious freedom than to kill people based on their religion like Cerise suggested. That was nice fascist thinking.

You keep trying to project this image of the violent and racist TeaParty, but you have nothing. You keep repeating this like it will eventually be accepted as truth (Alinsky much?) -- Any race tensions are being manufactured for political gains by your peeps.

Ha! You don't like it when people portray an entire group as violent? You don't want it repeated like repeating it is going to make it true? You don't like manufacture racial tension for political gain?

Oh wait, you just don't like it when other people do it. For you it's ok to do it constantly.

You fell right into that one.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

You've demonstrated nothing, you simply declare it.

Just an isolated fringe group.

• 26 February 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
• 13 March 1993 – 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. 250 dead, 700 injured.
• 28 July 1994 – Buenos Aires, Argentina. Vehicle suicide bombing attack against AMIA building, the local Jewish community representation. 85 dead, more than 300 injured.
• 24 December 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
• 25 June 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
• 17 November 1997 – Luxor attack, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attack tourists at Egypts famous Luxor Ruins. 68 foreign tourists killed.
• 14 February 1998 – Bombing in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 13 bombs explode within a 12 km radius. 46 killed and over 200 injured.
• 7 August 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
• 4 September 1999 – A series of bombing attacks in several cities of Russia, nearly 300 killed.
• 12 October 2000 – Attack on the USS cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.
• 11 September 2001 – 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[180]
• 13 December 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.
• 27 March 2002 – Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 30 dead, 133 injured.
• 30 March 2002 and 24 November 2002 - Attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India. Total 25 dead.
• 7 May 2002 – Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
• 24 September 2002 – Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[181][182]
• 12 October 2002 – Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[183]
• 16 May 2003 – Casablanca Attacks – 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafia Jihadia.
• 11 March 2004 – Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured (alleged link to Al-Qaeda).
• 1 September 2004 - Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.[184][185]
• 2 November 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.[186]
• 4 February 2005 – Muslim terrorists attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
• 5 July 2005 - Attack at the Hindu Ram temple at Ayodhya, India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism. 6 dead.
• 7 July 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
• 23 July 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
• 29 October 2005 – 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[187]
• 9 November 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured.[188][189] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[190]
• 7 March 2006 – 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. A series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. 28 killed and over 100 injured.[191]
• 11 July 2006 – 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings, Mumbai, India; a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.
• 14 August 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings: Four suicide vehicle bombers massacred nearly 800 members of northern Iraq's Yazidi sect in the deadliest Iraq war's attack to date.
• 26 July 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings, India. Islamic terrorists detonate at least 21 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 56 dead and 200 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence.[192] Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of terrorists suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.[193]
• 13 September 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.
• 26 November 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's largest city and financial capital, Mumbai. A group calling itself the Deccan Mujaheddin claims responsibility, however, the government of India suspects Islamic terrorists based in Pakistan are responsible. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.[194][195]
• 25 October 2009. Baghdad, Iraq. During a terrorist attack, two bomber vehicles detonated in the Green Zone, killing at least 155 people and injuring 520.
• 28 October 2009 – Peshawar, Pakistan. A car bomb is detonated in a woman exclusive shopping district, and over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
• 5 November 2009 - Fort Hood shooting, Texas, USA. U.S. Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, an American Muslim of Palestinian descent, shot and killed 13 people and wounded 30 others at a U.S. Army base.
• 3 December 2009 – Mogadishu, Somalia. A male suicide bomber disguised as a woman detonates in a hotel meeting hall. The hotel was hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students when the blast went off, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.[196]
• 1 January 2010 – Lakki Marwat, Pakistan. A suicide car bomber drove his explosive-laden vehicle into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people.[197]
• 1 May 2010 - New York, New York, USA. Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic Pakistani American who received U.S. citizenship in December 2009, attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square working with the Pakistani Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.
• 28 May 2010 - Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.

Nice tolerant religion you have there buddy, no thanks.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Have a look at the future of NYC.

of course I know you will focus on Pat Robinson and not the content of the story.

 

[spike]

You've demonstrated nothing, you simply declare it.

What else would you like demonstrated while you make up shit? Go ahead and tell me. If you want to move towards factual arguments for once that could be interesting.

I agree, I will back up everything I say with facts if you will start doing it.

Just an isolated fringe group.

Exactly, I'm glad you got it. Some people of most/all religions commit violent crimes daily. It's interesting that you only posted crimes by Muslims though, that is misleading and plays into your original problem of generalizing billions of people by the actions of a few.

It's like if we generalized all Christians by the history of the KKK or all religious conservatives by the actions of Al Qaeda. It's just what Hitler did to turn the population against Jews. The right seems willing to sprint towards fascism every time some nutball fear mongers.

Nice tolerant religion you have there buddy, no thanks.

I appreciate the fact that you realized most Muslims are very tolerant and yet don't want to be part of it. A lot of people feel the same way about all religions.

Irrational hatred of so many innocent people we need to wipe off the planet.

Do you even personally know or hang out with any Muslims? You come off as very naive about religion in general.

 

[Mirlyn]

Perhaps you are right, minks. This is the United States of America. No conspiracies would happen here otherwise it would be un-American.

Wake up, minks.

Check out this website....spell illuminati backwards and add a .com.

Conspiracy?

 

[Gotholic]

Check out this website....spell illuminati backwards and add a .com.

Conspiracy?

I just ordered my first tin-foil hat.

 

[Mirlyn]

I just ordered my first tin-foil hat.

LOL

 

[Gotholic]

It is pretty audacious of them to do that. I wonder what minky thinks.

 

[Mirlyn]

I'd tell you its just some dude who just forwards the domain, but I doubt that is juicy enough for you.

 

[MrBishop]

Check out this website....spell illuminati backwards and add a .com.

Conspiracy?

LOLz.

 

[Gotholic]

I'd tell you its just some dude who just forwards the domain, but I doubt that is juicy enough for you.

I tried to do a dns look up, however, I could not find anything.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

What else would you like demonstrated while you make up shit? Go ahead and tell me. If you want to move towards factual arguments for once that could be interesting.

OK, Demonstrate just how tolerant Islamic nation really are.THEN demonstrate just how tolerant Islam is in France and England.

I agree, I will back up everything I say with facts if you will start doing it.

Just like you did with Man Made Global Warming, the wonderful prosperity that the stimulus brought us. Maybe you prove it just like you did with Obama care; how most Americans want it, that you can keep your own choices, etc, etc...

Exactly, I'm glad you got it. Some people of most/all religions commit violent crimes daily. It's interesting that you only posted crimes by Muslims though, that is misleading and plays into your original problem of generalizing billions of people by the actions of a few.

Yeah it intersting, you never have demonstrated the current long term/large scale movement by other religions doing the same type of violent enforced campaigns.

It's like if we generalized all Christians by the history of the KKK or all religious conservatives by the actions of Al Qaeda. It's just what Hitler did to turn the population against Jews. The right seems willing to sprint towards fascism every time some nutball fear mongers.

You are very confused here, you can't get past certain word combination that easily mislead you. Let's do a basic autopsy of your flaws....

Rightwing ≠ KKK
Conservative ≠ National Socialist Party.
The American Conservative ≠ Islamic AQ

• You have already stated that many Democrats are Christians.
• the KKK was born and carried by the democrats. It never changed, the Democrats STILL carry the ideology that balck people are not able to function as white people, thus need proping up.
• Ideological differences between Al Queda and American Right wing are marked different. While both may label as "RightWing", they are not cut from the same cloth. AQ, want's a sharia world based solely on Islamic law with an absolute control.
• The American RightWing has a completely different Ideology than the AQ one your simplistic mind try's to project as the same. We want smaller government with less control among the many.
• Ideological difference between American conservative and the National Socialist Party are miles apart, you are really grasping at straws here buddy.
• tHe Nat'l Soc Party was centered on the Governmet, they felt religion was a threat to the greater good of the Party, just like you.
• If you look at the actions of the National Socialist Party's Ideologies you will find it isn't very far from the political ideologies you hold, that you support.
• It is the left who currently hates the Jews and and that support the antiIsraeli movement.

Lrn2understand

I appreciate the fact that you realized most Muslims are very tolerant and yet don't want to be part of it. A lot of people feel the same way about all religions.

Irrational hatred of so many innocent people we need to wipe off the planet.

Do you even personally know or hang out with any Muslims? You come off as very naive about religion in general.

Blather based on your emotions.

Who want wipe them off the earth? I say let them be, ....over there.

Yes, I know a number of Musilms, some of those relationship have become strained in recent years, mostly due to their own intolerance. Many, if not most, will be nice and polite while and display some level of remorse for the actions of their people and yet will not directly condemn the actions. there are some also that just wont discuss any of it with me. I also know a number who have become Islamic apostates in the last decade. Some of what they have to say has convinced me that Islam is bad news in the United States.

Lets talk about the TeaParty. The TP want's smaller government, the vast majority are not racist. Both of these are issues have been difficult for you wrap you little mind around -- IN FACT -- you spend so much effort trying to push the racist issue it make it very clear that you fear us.

See Spike, you have a cognitive problem with understanding ideologies and the difference thereof. You can't think beyond the most simplistic staples of cognitive reasoning.

Myth-busting polls: Tea Party members are average Americans, 41% are Democrats, independents

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[2minkey]

1. You have already stated that many Democrats are Christians.
2. the KKK was born and carried by the democrats. It never changed, the Democrats STILL carry the ideology that balck people are not able to function as white people, thus need proping up.
3. Ideological differences between Al Queda and American Right wing are marked different. While both may label as "RightWing", they are not cut from the same cloth. AQ, want's a sharia world based solely on Islamic law with an absolute control.
4. The American RightWing has a completely different Ideology than the AQ one your simplistic mind try's to project as the same. We want smaller government with less control among the many.
5. Ideological difference between American conservative and the National Socialist Party are miles apart, you are really grasping at straws here buddy.
6. tHe Nat'l Soc Party was centered on the Governmet, they felt religion was a threat to the greater good of the Party, just like you.
7. If you look at the actions of the National Socialist Party's Ideologies you will find it isn't very far from the political ideologies you hold, that you support.
8. It is the left who currently hates the Jews and and that support the antiIsraeli movement.

1. uh, okay.
2. southern democrats. before they switched over to the GOP. more conservative than possibly even you, but certainly kin folk of yers.
3 +4. there are some great similarities. both want to recapture an archaic way of living and outmoded morals. they both want to go marching. they both shun those outside their group, and rely on identity politics.
5 6. nazis and US right wingers: same form of identity politics and rabid loyalty to their version of the motherland. you know, you guys are the "real americans" right?
7. ROFL yeah right.
8. bullshit. just plain bullshit.

 

[spike]

OK, Demonstrate just how tolerant Islamic nation really are.THEN demonstrate just how tolerant Islam is in France and England.

Most Muslims are very tolerant which is why you are only ever able to generalize from the actions of a small minority.

Just like you did with Man Made Global Warming, the wonderful prosperity that the stimulus brought us. Maybe you prove it just like you did with Obama care; how most Americans want it, that you can keep your own choices, etc, etc...

Exactly, in every discussion I am able to back up what I say where you just make up crap.

Yeah it intersting, you never have demonstrated the current long term/large scale movement by other religions doing the same type of violent enforced campaigns.

Exactly, just like you haven't demonstrated that the majority of Muslims are involved in any long term/large scale violent campaigns. Because the vast majority aren't.

You are very confused here, you can't get past certain word combination that easily mislead you. Let's do a basic autopsy of your flaws....

Rightwing ≠ KKK
Conservative ≠ National Socialist Party.
The American Conservative ≠ Islamic AQ

• You have already stated that many Democrats are Christians.
• the KKK was born and carried by the democrats. It never changed, the Democrats STILL carry the ideology that balck people are not able to function as white people, thus need proping up.
• Ideological differences between Al Queda and American Right wing are marked different. While both may label as "RightWing", they are not cut from the same cloth. AQ, want's a sharia world based solely on Islamic law with an absolute control.
• The American RightWing has a completely different Ideology than the AQ one your simplistic mind try's to project as the same. We want smaller government with less control among the many.

• 
  
  Fascinating, you mean you don't think it's right to generalize all right wingers by the actions of a few? Amazing that you can't grasp that it is exactly what you are doing. The blatant hypocrisy is stunning.
  
  You still can't get the idea that Muslim ≠ Terrorist. Just like how even though Al Qaeda, Conservatives, Nazis, and the KKK are all right wing you shouldn't generalize all right wingers by the actions of one of those groups.
  
  It's as if the reasoning gets through to you when generalizations are made about a group you like and you get all offended. But then right away you chuck all rationality out the window when it comes to groups you don't like.
  
  

  Ideological difference between American conservative and the National Socialist Party are miles apart, you are really grasping at straws here buddy.

  
  They share many similarities. Irrational hatred of certain groups, wanting to remove those groups from the country, fear mongering, and many others.
  
  
  

  tHe Nat'l Soc Party was centered on the Governmet, they felt religion was a threat to the greater good of the Party, just like you.

  
  Actually looks like your going to need a history lesson.
  
  

  If you look at the actions of the National Socialist Party's Ideologies you will find it isn't very far from the political ideologies you hold, that you support.

  
  Nazis, being right wing, aren't far from the political ideologies you hold, that you support.
  
  

  It is the left who currently hates the Jews and and that support the antiIsraeli movement.

  
  Anti Israel movement? I hadn't heard about that. There are a growing number of Americans that are against unconstitutionally giving away our tax dollars and military equipment to Israel.
  
  

  Who want wipe them off the earth? I say let them be, ....over there.

  
  Oh, you want to get rid of massive numbers of US citizens based solely on religion? That's not fascist/nazi at alll.
  
  

  Yes, I know a number of Musilms, some of those relationship have become strained in recent years, mostly due to their own intolerance.

  
  Oh yeah, could be your intolerance hating all Muslims and all and wanting them deported.
  
  

  Many, if not most, will be nice and polite while and display some level of remorse for the actions of their people and yet will not directly condemn the actions.

  
  Interesting that you expect them to be remorseful for something they had nothing to do with.
  
  I don't hear much remorse from individual catholics for all the kid fucking. For some reaosn Cerise refuses to condemn the recent terrorism aganst Muslims. Do you condemn it?
  
  

  Lets talk about the TeaParty. The TP want's smaller government, the vast majority are not racist.

  
  There is a large number of racists in the Tea Party. You don't want generalizations made because you say the vast majority aren't racist right? Kinda like the vast majority of Muslims aren't violent.
  
  "These are issues have been difficult for you wrap you little mind around"
  
  

  See Spike, you have a cognitive problem with understanding ideologies and the difference thereof. You can't think beyond the most simplistic staples of cognitive reasoning.

  
  It's interesting that I have to use your own reasoning for you to see the flaws in it. This might end up being a good way to get the facts through to you. Just use your own reasoning and cognitive patterns, then finally you see how fucked it is.
  
  
  
  

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Which political party has historically supported civil rights? -- It's not the Democrats. still to this day: by viture of legislation, the left continues to show their belief that black/Hispanic can't rise to same level of whitey without race based legal advantages. What is so difficult to understand about that?

You also seem to have difficulty discovering the ideological difference between AQ and American conservatives. -- How can you possibly believe that AQ and the American conservative can occupy the same space.

Yes, we American conservative do love our motherland and want to preserve it. however that means small and limited government, not a bloated socialist utopia that the American Left and the National Socialist Party both intrinsically value as part of the national identity.

The conservatives tend to support Israel where as the left support Hamas and the Islamic front. I still don't understand why American Jews vote left. - Maybe you can 'splain it to me

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Hey look! I haven't demonstrated anything because I can't.

Nice poll you have there, do you have anything current like the post I used? -- What your older chart in contrast does demonstrates is that dumbfuckistan.JPG is indeed shrinking.

• Health Care -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• The stimulus is working -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• The stimulus a cost less than 7 years of the Iraq war -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• The Economic plan is working -- -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• IPCC report is accurate -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• The Scientific community has a complete consensus as per the IPCC -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• The majority of American believe in man made global warming -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• The liberal left is going win this November -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?
• Glenn Beck raped and killed some chick

Get to demonstrating what the American want and do not want there buddy, and keep it current. -- so far your accuracy has been quite low.


Nice.

Just remember this; it is people like you and your fail policy that are going to deliver the goods in November.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

In short spike. Since the current leadership is so fantastic we can expect huge democrat wins in November, right?

Proof is in the pudding eh buddy?

 

[spike]

Which political party has historically supported civil rights?

Civil rights history is interesting. The Civil Rights Act was responsible for most of the racist Southern Democrats moving to the Republican party.

"The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was widely opposed by white Southerners, was the event that finally moved the majority of Southerners to the Republican Party on a national level."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

This trend has continued to current day with the vast majority of white supremacists identifying with the Republicans or Tea Party.

Then there's people like you who would remove citizens civil rights simply based on religion or sexual preference.

You also seem to have difficulty discovering the ideological difference between AQ and American conservatives. -- How can you possibly believe that AQ and the American conservative can occupy the same space.

They don't occupy the same space. Their both right wing though. Just like Democrats and Commies don't occupy the same space.

The conservatives tend to support Israel where as the left support Hamas and the Islamic front.

More accurately, the right tend to blindly support Israel and unconstitutionally transferring vast amounts of US tax dollars to them. While the left is able to recognize the faults of both the Israelis and the Palestinians.

 

[spike]

Nice poll you have there, do you have anything current like the post I used?

It's a few months old. Did you expect some vast change intheir demo?

What your older chart in contrast does demonstrates is that dumbfuckistan.JPG is indeed shrinking.

Yes, it already shrank. The last couple of elections where quite a blow to dumbfuckistan.

Health Care -- America does not want -- got the current facts on that?

What facts do you want exactly? Trying to change the subject?

The stimulus is working

Fuck yeah.

The stimulus a cost less than 7 years of the Iraq war

Not sure what your point is here. The Iraq war was a colossal fuck up that killed massive numbers of people while the stimulus is saving jobs and preventing the economy from tanking worse. Apples/Oranges.

The Economic plan is working

Yep, things are improving from Bush's screw up.

IPCC report is accurate

Yep.

The Scientific community has a complete consensus as per the IPCC

Not complete but pretty damn close. Glad you're coming around.

The majority of American believe in man made global warming

About 50/50.

The liberal left is going win this November

Hard to say. But a threepeat would be pretty cool.

Glenn Beck raped and killed some chick

Not sure, has he proved that he didn't yet?

so far your accuracy has been quite low.

Weird that you would say that after I prove you wrong multiple times a day.

Just remember this; it is people like you and your fail policy that are going to deliver the goods in November.

Was it people like you that delivered the goods the last few Novembers?