Osama Bin Laden Featured in GOP TV Ad

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Since what you are saying is you and your that there is no point in discussing it. So stay in your little cubby hole ringing your hands over somebody elses problems instead of addressing your own because what ever facts are brought up will not efect your opinion..Any disussion from you is nothing more the circuliar seing how closed minded the attitute can be...

:finger:

I say you and your because I'm not a resident of the USA and you are.
If I said mine, and ours...it would be innacurate and misleading. :canada:

If you don't want your country's politics discussed, praised and/or panned by all the members of OTC, then why bother posting them at all...or do you have issues with dissenting thoughts and opinions?
 

spike

New Member
There's a movie out now called "So Goes the Nation" that examines out election process.

A detailed and somewhat straggling account of the 2004 presidential election's flashpoint climax in Ohio, James D. Stern and Adam Del Deo's new doc bounces between the day-to-day buildup to Election Day and after-the-fact interviews, searching for answers.

The filmmakers wonder how such a counterintuitive political scenario could emerge: the re-election of an incumbent plagued by low approval ratings, amid an economic downturn, rising unemployment, and a disastrous and illegal war.

So Goes the Nation has no new conspiracy theories, settling instead for a meticulous examination of the two political parties' hellbent voter-seduction strategies, from demographic outreach to slam ads. In other words, and despite its well-meaning "fair and balanced" approach barely disguising a Democratic outrage, the movie joins most of the mainstream media in regarding the race as a matter of voter manipulation—whoever suckers the most fools with the simplest and most mercenary tactics wins.

"It's got nothing to do with right or wrong," says Republican vote harvester Leslie Ghiz about the entire persuasive process, moments before she has the temerity to say that the November 1 Bin Laden video was, for her purposes, "too good to be true." Using gay marriage as a scarecrow for middle-American voters is going too far for the filmmakers, but in general they only seem saddened that the Democrats weren't as wily, amoral, and bullet-headed as the neocons.

Perhaps they're right in some fashion, given Bush Inc.'s body count. But isn't reducing the discourse to bad jokes, boogeyman rants, and 30-second TV ads exactly the problem, regardless of who wins?

The campaign managers being interviewed make a spectacle of themselves, smugly taking credit for manufacturing every dumbfuck voting rationale ever fed to an undereducated American public. How they live with themselves is a line of questioning braver filmmakers will have to pose.

http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0640,atkinson,74650,20.html
 

spike

New Member
The GOP ad featuring Bin Laden should have the Bush quote:

"I don't know where he is and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority"

right after the appearance.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
So...they're basically saying that the Democrats can't handle the 'War of terrorism'

As the Democrats have repeatedly proven, yes.

so forget about our miserable economy, social security, education etc...and concentrate on making more war?

You may want to take a look. Our economy is kicking ass. Unfortunately, the media can't say that.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
If I wanted to attack the process, I'd be talking about democracy as 1 person=1 vote instead of some people's votes counting for more or less than 1 vote depending on which state they happen to live in.

The electoral process has proven itself a worthy system. Fair to all, not just 4-5 states.
 

Professur

Well-Known Member
Spike, I can only say it's a sad day when people allow a movie screen to influence their voting. I thought that went out with the news reel.

If we're gonna do that, I want to know what party was in power during Independance Day. That president rocked.
 

spike

New Member
You're right, it's ridiculous what kind of crap people fall for that influences their voting decisions.

It'd be nice to think the the general population wouldn't be fooled by the fear mongering again and again.
 

Professur

Well-Known Member
So long as 90% of your population consists of sheep, you can be sure they'll vote exactly as they're told to ... by who ever convinces them ... and facts be damned.
 

rrfield

New Member
When adjusted for inflation the dow was higher in 2000 than it is now (or 2005 anyway, latest available inflation data)

Inflation Calculator said:
What cost $11,750.28 in 2000 would cost $13,049.13 in 2005.
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

Accoridng to this site the dow would have to top 14,000 to set the record.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average, adjusted for inflation, is down 17 percent from its all-time high on January 14, 2000.[1] It would need to rise another 2,378 points to set a new record, adjusted for inflation. It is only when no adjustment is made for inflation that the Dow can be said to have closed at a record high on October 3, 2006, as has been widely reported in the media.

10-5-06bud-f1.jpg
 

highwayman

New Member
If you don't want your country's politics discussed, praised and/or panned by all the members of OTC, then why bother posting them at all...or do you have issues with dissenting thoughts and opinions?

A discussion is one thing but when one party ignores the numbers that represent the actual reality and spouts the propaganda that the liberal media is putting out there is no disscussion.

The facts are this, unemployment is at a 20 year low, the dow jones is at a all time high and you were not able to dispute it other then
OK...let me restate "The Dow is barely recovered from what it was 6 years ago."
Feel better?

From the point you mention of six years ago it dropped to a low of 7200 then rebounded to the current level. You failed to take that into account.

Basicaly the route you have taken is the sky is falling route instead of looking at the what is possible.

You live in Canada, right?
What would happen if the American economic system would colapse all together? Canada would be right behind us...
 

unclehobart

New Member
Has that graph been run back to the inception of the market? ... 'cause we don't even know if that high is the real high after all. Perhaps were all pointlessly chasing 1928 or something.

The overall number is strictly feel-good voodoo anyway... unless you happen to own even shares of all companies in existence and the capital gains tax laws never change... which isn't the case. There are 50 ways to run the math to come up with any scenario you want.
 

rrfield

New Member
I dont think we were talking about the market from the begining, we were talking about it from the suposed high in Jan 2000. I found that graph to be very relavant to this specific discussion.

But, since you asked, here's an analysis from someone who doesn't want to be named. Not the best source, I know. So here is another.
 

Camelyn

New Member
You live in Canada, right?
What would happen if the American economic system would colapse all together? Canada would be right behind us...

So what you are saying is that what happens in the US, econimically and politically, strongly effects Canada, but Canadians should not hold opinions, debate, or in any way comment on American politics because it's none of our business.

I C :rolleyes:
 

highwayman

New Member
So what you are saying is that what happens in the US, econimically and politically, strongly effects Canada, but Canadians should not hold opinions, debate, or in any way comment on American politics because it's none of our business.

I C :rolleyes:

Not saying that at all, when someone touts nothing but propaganda from the press and won't disscus it more then that, the subject is moot..

Yes the economies between America and Canada have strong ties and should not be ignored.

How often have I criticized or rebuffed Canadian politics, political structure or policies? But yet it seems that it is Canadas business on my opinions of American political views...
 

Camelyn

New Member
How often have I criticized or rebuffed Canadian politics, political structure or policies? But yet it seems that it is Canadas business on my opinions of American political views...

Americans don't comment on Canadian politics because they don't *care* about Canadian politics. Do you know who the prime minister of Canada is, how our political system works? Do you care? Probably not. :shrug: You can't criticize or comment on something you don't give a flying poop about ;) In any case, Canadians are much more critical of Canadian politics and politicians than Americans will ever be. So feel free to fire away :D

Your opinions aren't my business, they are your own. But anyone is entitled to voice opinions, comments and criticisms about the politics of a country that is a global power, and whose actions effect many nations other than itself.

Bottom line is, I or any other citizen of this planet can say or think what we want, what does it matter? *You* are the one that does the voting.
 

unclehobart

New Member
I, speaking for one American, welcome all opinions. It doesn't mean for one second that I will act upon such opinions... but I will listen.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
So what you are saying is that what happens in the US, econimically and politically, strongly effects Canada, but Canadians should not hold opinions, debate, or in any way comment on American politics because it's none of our business.

What would you think of 300,000,000 Americans debating Canadian politics, just before an election? Bet we could sway your outcome.
 
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