Another couple denied marriage license...

[Gato_Solo]

He's a justice of the peace. An elected official. His personal feelings should not interfere with the performance of his required duties. If they do he should be removed. If he knew they were going to (and it certainly appears to me that he did) he should not have run. It's really quite simple. It is not within his autority to decide whether someone should or should not be married. The fact that he's a howling bigot really does not enter into the problem.

JoP's are not always elected. Some are appointed. Depends upon the state or local government.

Secondly...he never said that they couldn't get married. Just that he wouldn't do it. Does that make him a bigot? Probably. Does that mean that he shouldn't be a JoP? Maybe. Does that make this story relevent? Not really. Bigots and arseholes exist. Get used to the idea. Nothing anyone does is going to change that. All you need to do is don't go to him. If enough people don't go to him, then he won't be performing civil ceremonies for long, and the problem is solved. By trying to force him to do something he doesn't want to do, you become exactly what he wants...

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Pure free market doesn't work in the least. You get child labor, chemicals dumped in rivers, tainted meat, and it sure as hell didn't work to keep racial discrimination at bay.

Pure free market is anarchy. Lets talk about free market under a responsible and humble government, for the people by the people.

Free Market works better than communism/socialism has for the environment. How clean is Russia, China? Like child labor and pollution isn't problem there? Yeah, whats the ratio of men/women in China among. Pollution is a fact in the modoern world, where do think reasonable technologies for a cleaner environment come from ....socialist innovation? -- no, the free market.

As for racism.... it has always existed, it always will exist. Forcing people to tolerate each other creates resentment re-enforcing the negative feelings. And people like Al Sharpton have capitalized well off of racism. Fact is +100,000 Union Soldiers gave their lives over the debate of racism. That's a fairly strong statement.

I will not go into vast depths of hind-site. Many laws have served their purpose and need to be cut loose. A Blackman is the President of the United States, there is no higher title on earth. So you can either continue to force resentments or you can allow the good in people, the good in society to further the proper ideology. --- or are you saying that a black person can only achieve if he is sponsored by laws?

 

[paul_valaru]

A Blackman is the President of the United States, there is no higher title on earth.

I disagree.

sorry.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I disagree.

sorry.

Semantics, who cares.

 

[paul_valaru]

Semantics, who cares.

so you admit you are anti-semantic?

 

[MrBishop]

RM - the free market isn't driving innovation towards a cleaner environment... new laws forcing the free market's hand is what leading to innovation towards a cleaner environment.
Going green is not good for the bottom line and is therefore not good for the free market...much like abolishing slavery wasn't good for the free market, but was forced through.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

so you admit you are anti-semantic?

No, I'm admitting that my coffee is not yet beweddddddddddddddddddddd.

 

[Winky]

It takes on average 1.3 seconds to skim a users post
to realize it's worthless

that Evenlyn Woodhead sped redin course was well worth the time.
Quite unlike 86.37% of the posts one finds here.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

RM - the free market isn't driving innovation towards a cleaner environment... new laws forcing the free market's hand is what leading to innovation towards a cleaner environment.
Going green is not good for the bottom line and is therefore not good for the free market...much like abolishing slavery wasn't good for the free market, but was forced through.

Yes, that is unfortunate that we are being forced to accept the bad science of 'global warming'. inB4consensusblather.

Who doesn't want to live in cleaner environment? Fact is people make money selling these technologies, there is an incentive for them. Society applies pressure by purchase. If technology works and people like it, it will be successful.

There is little fish, it is causing unemployment here up to 40% in some local communities. Crime is up, drugs are up, and farms are failing. The agenda is actually not about the fish, its about washing the pollution in SF bay out to sea. Nice.

Slavery. Society said "All men are created equal" -- over 100,000 people laid down their lives to make that statement true. Now all men are created equal.

Going green is what people want and will support, they do want to be forced. Its that resentment thing again.

Free market has a relationship to society, society is what governs a free market.

 

[Winky]

Wha? oh nvrnmd

 

[spike]

Secondly...he never said that they couldn't get married. Just that he wouldn't do it. Does that make him a bigot? Probably. Does that mean that he shouldn't be a JoP? Maybe. Does that make this story relevent? Not really. Bigots and arseholes exist. Get used to the idea.

Or just get rid of them.

All you need to do is don't go to him. If enough people don't go to him, then he won't be performing civil ceremonies for long, and the problem is solved. By trying to force him to do something he doesn't want to do, you become exactly what he wants...

No, if you don't go to him he is still going to get paid. That might be exactly what he wants. Less work for the same money. Better to get him removed and send a message.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

^ I'm not going to justify the JoP's ideologies, but in his defense he offer references to JoP's that would preform the ceremony.

That shows some level of responsibility to counter his own personal beliefs.

 

[spike]

Free Market works better than communism/socialism has for the environment. How clean is Russia, China? Like child labor and pollution isn't problem there? Yeah, whats the ratio of men/women in China among.

China's real pollution started as they became capitalistic. Much of the child labor problems are from free market greed. They need more regulations in China to curb pollution and other issues.

where do think reasonable technologies for a cleaner environment come from ....socialist innovation? -- no, the free market.

It comes from regulating the free market to limit pollution.

As for racism.... it has always existed, it always will exist. Forcing people to tolerate each other creates resentment re-enforcing the negative feelings. And people like Al Sharpton have capitalized well off of racism.

You don't force people to tolerate racists. If they let it interfere with their job you remove them.

or are you saying that a black person can only achieve if he is sponsored by laws?

No, I'm saying it's illegal for for this JoP to be acting like a racist in his job. For good reason.

 

[spike]

^ I'm not going to justify the JoP's ideologies, but in his defense he offer references to JoP's that would preform the ceremony.

That shows some level of responsibility to counter his own personal beliefs.

Screw that. If some judge said "I refuse to hear any case where white people are accused of doing something to black people, but you can get this other judge to hear it" you get rid of that judge.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Screw that. If some judge said "I refuse to hear any case where white people are accused of doing something to black people, but you can get this other judge to hear it" you get rid of that judge.

Are we pretending again?

 

[Winky]

... - Leslie

 

[ResearchMonkey]

China's real pollution started as they became capitalistic. Much of the child labor problems are from free market greed. They need more regulations in China to curb pollution and other issues.

Yeah, more regulations is exactly what China needs, as if drowning your infant daughters in a rice paddy isn't enough.

If by capitalistic you mean entering the 20th century. Why can't china solve these issue with communism? -- because they do not care to, its about the party not the people. The people have no power there, its all big government.

It comes from regulating the free market to limit pollution.

Yeah that is happening at every turn with blanket laws from the federal government. Local communities can do that all by themselves with out the federal government doing it for them. -- Its that society thing again, we the people, republic and all that.

You don't force people to tolerate racists. If they let it interfere with their job you remove them.

Too bad you can't freely choose who to hire in the first place.

You cannot control other without force, you are forcing others to accept your ideaologies. -- Mao nice of you! ... So yeah, you have to tolerate their freedom thought like it or not. .....that is what tolerance is.

No, I'm saying it's illegal for for this JoP to be acting like a racist in his job. For good reason.

No, what you said is this:
(nice try though)

Pure free market doesn't work in the least....... and it sure as hell didn't work to keep racial discrimination at bay.

You're saying free market does nothing to to over come discrimination. I say it happens every day, that the majority od people do not use racism as basis for hiring employees. I think most people hire based on ability, but you seem to believe that black people need an extra boost to be hired -- Mao racist of you.

You are forcing to JoP to personally accept your ideologies or suffer for it when the guy at the next window will meet you needs in accordance with his personal beliefs. -- what do you have against the freedom of individual ideaologies?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Pure free market doesn't work in the least.

I see your point quite clearly

 

[H2O boy]

Closing those down all the damn time... the last few bastions are in the fields of sports, places like the YMCA/YWCA, and certain businesses (like gyms) that use their gender-singularity (mostly for women) as a selling point.

so as long as its a selling point its ok

marvelous

 

[spike]

Are we pretending again?

Making a point that directing them to another JoP doesn't excuse it.