Hate when that happens

Gonz

Gonz

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We're Americans. Let's do it our way
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chcr

chcr

Too cute for words
Gato_Solo said:
That's the Freemasonry symbolism I'm talking about that you said was pagan.
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I hate to disagree, since you obviously know a few things about freemasonry, but the pyramid and the all-seeing eye as (originally religious) symbols seem to clearly predate freemasonry. At least in everything I'm aware of on the subject. Are you a Freemason?
 
Professur

Professur

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Every mason here already knows who are and aren't masons. And few are going to post wether they are or not. At least, in any way that non-masons will recognise.
 
chcr

chcr

Too cute for words
Professur said:
Every mason here already knows who are and aren't masons. And few are going to post wether they are or not. At least, in any way that non-masons will recognise.
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I ask for informational purposes. I'm fairly familiar (in a non-mason sort of way) with the Freemasons. Not exactly a religion, but certainly use the forms and rituals thing to the hilt. I was wondering whether Gato had access to info that I don't, that's all. I withdraw the question. The point was, AFAIK the Freemasons were formed in the late middle ages. The pyramid and all-seeing eye as sacred objects predate known history.
 
catocom

catocom

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An interesting email I go today...

Just a Penny

You always hear the usual stories of pennies on the sidewalk being good
luck, gifts from angels, etc. This is the first time I've ever heard this
twist on the story. Gives you something to think about.



Several years ago, a friend of mine and her husband were invited to spend
the weekend at the husband's employer's home. My friend, Arlene, was nervous
about the weekend. The boss was very wealthy, with a fine home on the
waterway, and cars costing more than her house.

The first day and evening went well, and Arlene was delighted to have this
rare glimpse into how the very wealthy live. The husband's employer was
quite generous as a host, and took them to the finest restaurants. Arlene
knew she would never have the opportunity to indulge in this kind of
extravagance again, so was enjoying herself immensely.

As the three of them were about to enter an exclusive restaurant that
evening, the boss was walking slightly ahead of Arlene and her husband. He
stopped suddenly, looking down on the pavement for a long, silent moment.

Arlene wondered if she was supposed to pass him There was nothing on the
ground except a single darkened penny that someone had dropped, and a few
cigarette butts. Still silent, the man reached down and picked up the penny.


He held it up and smiled, then put it in his pocket as if he had found a
great treasure. How absurd! What need did this man have for a single penny?
Why would he even take the time to stop and pick it up?

Throughout dinner, the entire scene nagged at her. Finally, she could stand
it no longer. She causally mentioned that her daughter once had a coin
collection, and asked if the penny he had found had been of some value.

A smile crept across the man's face as he reached into his pocket for the
penny and held it out for her to see. She had seen many pennies before! What
was the point of this?

"Look at it." He said. "Read what it says." She read the words "United
States of America."

"No, not that; read further."

"One cent?" "No, keep reading."

"In God we Trust?" "Yes!" "And?"

"And if I trust in God, the name of God is holy, even on a coin. Whenever I
find a coin I see that inscription! It is written on every single United
States coin, but we never seem to notice it! God drops a message right in
front of me telling me to trust Him? Who am I to pass it by? When I see a
coin, I pray, I stop to see if my trust IS in God at that moment. I pick the
coin up as a response to God; that I do trust in Him. For a short time, at
least, I cherish it as if it were gold. I think it is God's way of starting
a conversation with me. Lucky for me, God is patient and pennies are
plentiful!

When I was out shopping today, I found a penny on the sidewalk. I stopped
and picked it up, and realized that I had been worrying and fretting in my
mind about things I cannot change. I read the words, "In God We Trust," and
had to laugh. Yes, God, I get the message.

It seems that I have been finding an inordinate number of pennies in the
last few months, but then, pennies are plentiful!

And, God is patient...
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Bobby Hogg

Bobby Hogg

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How is it self-explanatory?

"In God We Trust"

Trust what? Security? Health? Wealth? What do you entrust God with? Or what do you trust God to do?

It's utterly meaningless as a stand alone phrase.
 
catocom

catocom

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You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.
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Then, as it is now..The Majority of the people were Christan. This was meant
to try to bring the people back together through a common thread.

I take it now to mean that people that have the moral conviction of God, will trade fairly.
 
Bobby Hogg

Bobby Hogg

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The moral conviction of God is questionable. Do you mean the vengeful, spiteful, cruel tribal war God of the ancient Hebrews, or the passive, serene, forgiving God described by Christ?

Or is some sort of new God where everyone just makes that God say what they want and do what they want?
 
SouthernN'Proud

SouthernN'Proud

Southern Discomfort
Bobby Hogg said:
How is it self-explanatory?

"In God We Trust"

Trust what? Security? Health? Wealth?
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Yes. We trust in God. What part of that is beyond you?


Bobby Hogg said:
It's utterly meaningless as a stand alone phrase.
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Thanks for your opinion. uncalled for - Leslie
 
SouthernN'Proud

SouthernN'Proud

Southern Discomfort
Bobby Hogg said:
The moral conviction of God is questionable.
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No, it isn't. God is beyond our petty questions. He created us after all, I think he knows what he's doing.



Bobby Hogg said:
Do you mean the vengeful, spiteful, cruel tribal war God of the ancient Hebrews, or the passive, serene, forgiving God described by Christ?
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He is both.



Bobby Hogg said:
Or is some sort of new God where everyone just makes that God say what they want and do what they want?
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Nope. That one doesn't exist, as too many will discover some day.
 
Bobby Hogg

Bobby Hogg

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What do you mean you trust in God? The same God who let his chosen people, the Hebrews, to be forced into exile from their land? The same God who flooded the entire Earth to destroy the human race because he didn't much like it any more?

The phrase has no context. You trust God to do what?
 
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