It's Biden ...

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
That's not slander. It's the truth.
Granted... but just because a friend/associate of mine does something illegal doesn't mean that I had knowledge of it, helped him to perform it, or took anything from it.

You're associating both Obama and Biden with a scandal because they knew the people in the scandal. Thus smearing them.

I know one person that got arrested for DWI. Doesn't make me a drunk driver and shouldn't stop me from helping out MADD. *peace*
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Guilt by association character assassination attempt?

If it were just one, you'd have apoint.

This guy has a history of shady characterrs who act as friends & advisers. Not a indicator of good decision making.
 

spike

New Member
If it were just one, you'd have apoint.

This guy has a history of shady characterrs who act as friends & advisers. Not a indicator of good decision making.

He couldn't hold a candle to Bush in that department yet you voted for him. Not a good indicator of your decision making.

You're really grasping now huh?
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
So what of THIS association?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...nts-highlight-obamas-relationship-with-ayers/

Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama’s Relationship With Ayers
by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Documents released Tuesday by the University of Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground.

Obama’s association with Ayers, who now teaches at the university, has become an issue in the Illinois senator’s presidential campaign. The Weather Underground took credit for several nonfatal bombings on targets that included the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, and critics accuse Obama of rubbing elbows with an unabashed 1960s radical.

Obama has said that, although he knew Ayers as a professor involved in community outreach efforts in Chicago, he doesn’t share Ayers’ extreme views.

The massive collection of newly released documents — 140 boxes full of them — includes agendas that clearly put Obama and Ayers in the same room for meetings of Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an educational initiative that Ayers was instrumental in starting and that Obama chaired in the 1990s.

Ayers Unrepentant for Group’s Violence in 1960s, 1970s

The initiative was funded by $49.2 million from the Annenberg Foundation with the intention of establishing community partnerships that would improve schools.

FOX News was among several news organizations that reviewed the university’s records by appointment. In one agenda, a March 15, 1995, meeting featured Obama making introductions and Ayers giving a briefing.

But more than a year later, Obama pushed the group to be bolder in its reforms, according to the Associated Press, which also reviewed the documents. Minutes from an October 1996 gathering show Obama, a guest at a meeting of the collaborative, raised questions about what the group should be doing.

The Associates Press reports the minutes characterized Obama’s concerns as twofold: Whether the group was raising additional money and whether money was being used “to prop up existing organizations as opposed to creating fresh educational practices in the schools?”

“At the end of five years, will we have broken the mold? Not much seems to be bubbling up that is inspiring or substantive,” the minutes say, paraphrasing Obama.

Even so, Stanley Kurtz, a contributing editor for the conservative magazine National Review, thinks Obama’s association with Ayers should raise questions in the mind of voters who wonder of Obama is as mainstream as he claims to be.

“The fact that Obama and Ayers were working together stems from the pretty sharp left-leaning ideology that both of them shared to some extent,” Kurtz said.

Ayers did not respond to an e-mail requesting comment.

The Obama campaign, meanwhile, is fighting a conservative group called the American Issues Project over a TV commercial that links Obama to Ayers. The campaign argues that the nonprofit group is violating federal laws regulating political ads by nonprofits.

The group filed a document with the Federal Election Commission last week identifying Texas billionaire Harold Simmons as the lone financier of the ad, contributing nearly $2.9 million to produce and air it. Simmons is a fundraiser for John McCain and was one of the major contributors to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which aired ads in 2004 against John Kerry.

The Obama campaign issued a response ad to the group’s ad, which says, “With all our problems why is John McCain talking about the ’60s trying to link Barack Obama to radical Bill Ayers? McCain knows Obama denounced Ayers’ crimes committed when Obama was just eight years old. Let’s talk about standing up for America today.”

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said if “McCain’s consultants are going to go out and make ads that are misleading about Barack Obama we are going to make sure that they are answered we have to make sure that the truth is out there and that we are answering with force.”

McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers released a statement responding to Burton that said, “It’s absurd and disingenuous for the Obama campaign to say we are running this ad. They are trying to blame us and use a straw man to take this issue off the table. If he thinks having a relationship with an unrepentant terrorist is not an issue that concerns the American people, he is deluding himself or being naive.”

FOX News’ Bret Baier, Craig Wall and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Lets see...when Obama was 8, some group had a splinter cell which did some pretty radical things. This group broke up in 1976.

The less radical splinter of the groups is called "The prairiefire organizing community"
FOX News was among several news organizations that reviewed the university’s records by appointment. In one agenda, a March 15, 1995, meeting featured Obama making introductions and Ayers giving a briefing.

But more than a year later, Obama pushed the group to be bolder in its reforms, according to the Associated Press, which also reviewed the documents. Minutes from an October 1996 gathering show Obama, a guest at a meeting of the collaborative, raised questions about what the group should be doing.
Obama's talking with a non-terrorist group...and NOT the Weathermen.

Sorry... another weak lead.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
I don't know about all that other stuff, but the association with Wright is quite enough for me....alone.
 

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
Lets see...when Obama was 8, some group had a splinter cell which did some pretty radical things. This group broke up in 1976.

The less radical splinter of the groups is called "The prairiefire organizing community"
Obama's talking with a non-terrorist group...and NOT the Weathermen.

Sorry... another weak lead.

Then why is Obama trying to squash this story if it is so weak?

It looks like the first casualty of an Obama administration will be free speech.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_camp_Prosecute_Simmons.html

Obama camp: Prosecute Simmons

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.

"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.

He called the group's activities "patently illegal."

Bauer made the case that Simmons' group fulfilling its a real nonprofit charter because it hasn't spent any money on anything other than attacking Obama.

The American Issues Project released a statement responding to the letter.

"Having failed in its attempts to get our legal, factual and fully-supported ad off the air, Barack Obama's campaign now wants to put our donors in prison for exercising their right to free speech," said Ed Martin, the group's president. "These over-the-top bullying tactics are reminiscent of the kind of censorship one would see in a Stalinist dictatorship, with the only difference being that those guys generally had to wait until they were in power to throw people who disagreed with them into jail."

The group said its ad would continue to air through the end of the Democratic National Convention. Simmons has spent almost $3 million to air the ad, which can be seen on the group's site.

A spokeswoman for the Justice Department, Laura Sweeney, had no comment on the second letter.

It's worth noting that this isn't the first time Bauer has called for criminal investigations and prosecutions into the donors to independent groups critical of Obama, including one supporting John Edwards and another supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton. His words did have the effect of scaring their donors and consultants, but haven't yet appeared to result in any prosecution.

Rick Hasen has some more thoughts on the law, suggesting that Simmons, at worst, will face fines after it's too late to matter.
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Because that's the only way to stop the mud-slinging that McCain's up to. Attack each instance aggressively and piecemeal.

The alternative is to be swift-boated.
 

spike

New Member
Please, I beg, just one idea that isn't a re-word of another post.

How about you start coming up with things that aren't hypocritical or so easily proven false.

Or maybe you could stop spouting things off as fact that are merely your wishful thinking and have no basis in reality?

Nah, that ain't gonna happen.

I like how you try and change the subject rather than defend your hypocrisy though.
 

Cerise

Well-Known Member
Ayers and Obama share the same sentiment about this country:

Bill+Ayers+Punk.bmp
 

spike

New Member
What a stupid baseless nonsense worthless addition to this thread Cerise.

Thanks. Make you look even more desperate.
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
He should bump up once the Hillary followers realize that they can't vote for the harpy anymore and they have to vote for Obama if they want a democrat in office next year.
 

Cerise

Well-Known Member
What truth? You just don't seem to like it when I point out that you're making silly comments.

Not silly at all. Obama has made his share of comments that figuratively step on the flag.

Obama leads McCain by a fair margin in most polls:

Except the current ones.


Any idea why McCain can't bump his score ahead?

Actually, he has. And he's just getting warmed up. You deny the reality of the situation.

With all the media hype, Euro '08 tour, Biden VP pick, and Clinton-supported DNC week, Obama should have a very comfortable lead over McCain. Instead, he's dropping like a rock.
 

spike

New Member
Not silly at all. Obama has made his share of comments that figuratively step on the flag.

Nope, Bush has though.


Except the current ones.

Those too.

Actually, he has. And he's just getting warmed up. You deny the reality of the situation.

Actually he hasn't and he's just going to get colder. You've been denying reality forever.

With all the media hype, Euro '08 tour, Biden VP pick, and Clinton-supported DNC week, Obama should have a very comfortable lead over McCain. Instead, he's dropping like a rock.

He does have a comfortable lead. The rest is just wishfull thinking on your part.
 
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