Ohio man, son killed after Ark. cops fatally shot

spike

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — An Ohio man's resentment of authority and run-ins with the law was enough for a local sheriff to warn that he could be dangerous if confronted by law enforcement. Years later, the sheriff appears right: The man and his teenage son are suspected of fatally shooting two Arkansas police officers during a traffic stop before they died in a shootout.

Jerry Kane Jr., 45, of Forest, Ohio, and his son Joseph Kane, believed to be 16, were killed during an exchange of gunfire with officers in a Walmart parking lot, Arkansas State Police said Friday.

The shootings came about 90 minutes after West Memphis police Sgt. Brandon Paudert, 39, and Officer Bill Evans, 38, were attacked with AK-47 assault rifles after they stopped a minivan on Interstate 40 in West Memphis on Thursday, authorities said.

Jerry Kane, who had a long history with police, used the Internet to question federal and local governments' authority over him and held debt-elimination seminars around the country. He recently complained about being busted at a "Nazi checkpoint" near Carrizozo, N.M., where court records show he spent three days in jail before posting a $1,500 bond on charges of driving without a license and concealing his identity.

Sheriff Gene Kelly in Clark County, Ohio, said he issued a warning to law enforcement about Kane in July 2004, after Kane said a judge tried to "enslave" him when he was sentenced to six days of community service for driving with an expired license plate and no seat belt. Kane claimed he was a "free man" and asked for $100,000 per day in gold or silver, Kelly said.

"After listening to this man for almost 30 minutes, I feel that he is expecting and prepared for confrontations with any law enforcement officer that may come in contact with him," Kelly wrote in his warning to officers.

Kelly told The Associated Press on Friday that he had been "very concerned about a potential confrontation and about his resentment of authority."

On an Internet radio show, hosted on a website that lets amateurs create their own shows and live discussions, Kane expressed outrage about his New Mexico arrest.

"I ran into a Nazi checkpoint in the middle of New Mexico where they were demanding papers or jail," he said. "That was the option. Either produce your papers or go to jail. So I entered into commerce with them under threat, duress and coercion, and spent 47 hours in there."

Kane said he planned to file a counterclaim alleging kidnapping and extortion against those involved in his arrest and detention. Kane also said he had an officer sign a document that said the officer must pay for using Kane's name.

"I am now putting together an invoice for him for approximately $80,000 in gold for the eight times he used my name," Kane said on the radio show. "I already have done a background check on him. I found out where he lives, his address, his wife's name."

Mark Potok, who directs hate-group research at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said Kane had not been in the group's database before Thursday. But he said that was not surprising, given the "explosive growth" in the anti-government movement in recent years. With 363 new groups in 2009, there are now 512, Potok said.

Members of so-called patriot groups don't recognize the authority of the U.S. government and consider themselves sovereign citizens.

JJ MacNab, a Maryland-based insurance analyst who has testified before Congress on tax and financial scams, said she had been tracking Kane for about two years and that his business centered on debt-avoidance scams.

Potok said such scams are common in the sovereign citizen movement.

"He basically promised them they would never have to repay their mortgage or credit card debt," MacNab said.

Kane's website showed he held one of his seminars in Las Vegas 15-16 and that he was due to appear in Safety Harbor, Fla., May 28-29. His website Friday asked that donations be sent to an address in Clearwater, Fla., to help his family.

At that Florida address, a woman, speaking through the front door, told an AP reporter to leave the property when he knocked and identified himself. Two bicycles were in front of the unkempt, single-story home and exercise equipment was on the porch. A sign on the front door read: "No visitors. This means you. Thank you for understanding."

A woman who answered the door at the home of Kane's mother, Patricia Holt of Marysville, Ohio, also told an AP reporter to leave and said she had no comment. She did not identify herself.

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valkyrie

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"Jerry Kane, who had a long history with police, used the Internet to question federal and local governments' authority over him and held debt-elimination seminars around the country. He recently complained about being busted at a "Nazi checkpoint" near Carrizozo, N.M., where court records show he spent three days in jail before posting a $1,500 bond on charges of driving without a license and concealing his identity.

Sheriff Gene Kelly in Clark County, Ohio, said he issued a warning to law enforcement about Kane in July 2004, after Kane said a judge tried to "enslave" him when he was sentenced to six days of community service for driving with an expired license plate and no seat belt. Kane claimed he was a "free man" and asked for $100,000 per day in gold or silver, Kelly said."

Jesusfuckingchrist... I know this type: they call themselves "Patriots" and will not license themselves as drivers or their cars claiming the government does not have the authority over them. I had a BF a long time ago that had a friend and his common law wife who were "Patriots." They were nuts, through and through. They never paid taxes and hoarded gold and food.
 

catocom

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Mark Potok, who directs hate-group research at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said Kane had not been in the group's database before Thursday.

oh the irony.
I don't guess the guy wasn't in the database, since he probably wasn't in poverty huh?

So I guess their theory that poverty causes this kind of stuff, or that the only
people that do it that are white are southern hicks that don't wear shoes or something.

Potok should get a real job.

But, ...back to the topic...
It's sad that there people out there with these mental problems, and can't
seem to get the right help, yet the president this massive (Law now) and it
couldn't save these two officers.
Of coarse imo it wasn't meant to. It's not for the mental people apparently.

but, well I'll leave the rant there.
I've said enough to probably bring some off their chair.
 

Cerise

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"I ran into a Nazi checkpoint in the middle of New Mexico where they were demanding papers or jail," he said. "That was the option. Either produce your papers or go to jail."

Papers?? Gee, that sounds familiar.

Isn't the mandate of "travel papers" one of the major complaints of the libruls regarding Arizona SB1070?
 

spike

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oh the irony.
I don't guess the guy wasn't in the database, since he probably wasn't in poverty huh?

So I guess their theory that poverty causes this kind of stuff, or that the only
people that do it that are white are southern hicks that don't wear shoes or something.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society."[/quote]

I didn't see anywhere where they were trying to say poverty causes this type of thing or that people that do it are white southern hicks. I think you've misunderstood something important to come to that conclusion.


Potok should get a real job.

Hate group research is a real job.

It's sad that there people out there with these mental problems, and can't
seem to get the right help, yet the president this massive (Law now) and it
couldn't save these two officers.
Of coarse imo it wasn't meant to. It's not for the mental people apparently.

What massive law? I have no idea what you're saying in that paragraph.
 

spike

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Isn't the mandate of "travel papers" one of the major complaints of the libruls regarding Arizona SB1070?

No, I think the major complaint is that every person in Arizona will need to have proof of their legal status on them to avoid possible detainment whether or not they have committed any offense. It's a serious infringement on freedom.

Not sure what your point was.
 

Professur

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No, I think the major complaint is that every person in Arizona will need to have proof of their legal status on them to avoid possible detainment whether or not they have committed any offense. It's a serious infringement on freedom.

Not sure what your point was.

Naturally you can't. It's like when you want 14 year old girls to be allowed abortions without consulting the parents, but the same kid to not be tried as an adult because they're immature children who don't know any better. It's two sides of the same coin, but people put up artificial distinctions for their own benefit.
 

catocom

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"The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society."


I didn't see anywhere where they were trying to say poverty causes this type of thing or that people that do it are white southern hicks. I think you've misunderstood something important to come to that conclusion.

I know what kind of stuff the SPLC does....
THEY are the actual bigots, that can't let got of an era gone by.
If they don't keeps things stirred up, they wouldn't have a job.
 

valkyrie

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"I ran into a Nazi checkpoint in the middle of New Mexico where they were demanding papers or jail," he said. "That was the option. Either produce your papers or go to jail."

Papers?? Gee, that sounds familiar.

Isn't the mandate of "travel papers" one of the major complaints of the libruls regarding Arizona SB1070?
The "papers" described in the article are not "travel papers" but his vehicle registration, inspection and his driver's license. :rolleyes: Didn't you read the article?
 

valkyrie

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oh the irony.
I don't guess the guy wasn't in the database, since he probably wasn't in poverty huh?

So I guess their theory that poverty causes this kind of stuff, or that the only
people that do it that are white are southern hicks that don't wear shoes or something.

Potok should get a real job.

But, ...back to the topic...
It's sad that there people out there with these mental problems, and can't
seem to get the right help, yet the president this massive (Law now) and it
couldn't save these two officers.
Of coarse imo it wasn't meant to. It's not for the mental people apparently.

but, well I'll leave the rant there.
I've said enough to probably bring some off their chair.
Mark Potok does "hate-group research". I was confused about why Kane would be in the hate-group DB unless "resentment of authority and run-ins with the law" qualifies. :shrug:

If I'm reading this right he did not have a mental problem. This is a group of people that claim all taxes (local and federal), vehicle inspections, vehicle registrations, driver's licenses, etc. are not constitutional. They home school their kids (not that home schooling is bad, this is just one of the groups that do this) and most of them will rent to avoid paying property taxes and school taxes. All transactions are in cash. (I could not find a link online to the group, but they used to call themselves "Patriots" a long time ago, before the "Tea Party Patriots". I do not know if that has changed.)
 

valkyrie

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No, I think the major complaint is that every person in Arizona will need to have proof of their legal status on them to avoid possible detainment whether or not they have committed any offense. It's a serious infringement on freedom.

Not sure what your point was.
Dude, she can't even spell :retard: ... I doubt she will understand what you wrote or make the connection. :lol2:
 

catocom

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Mark Potok does "hate-group research". I was confused about why Kane would be in the hate-group DB unless "resentment of authority and run-ins with the law" qualifies. :shrug:

If I'm reading this right he did not have a mental problem. This is a group of people that claim all taxes (local and federal), vehicle inspections, vehicle registrations, driver's licenses, etc. are not constitutional. They home school their kids (not that home schooling is bad, this is just one of the groups that do this) and most of them will rent to avoid paying property taxes and school taxes. All transactions are in cash. (I could not find a link online to the group, but they used to call themselves "Patriots" a long time ago, before the "Tea Party Patriots". I do not know if that has changed.)

It sounds like we're on the same page here mostly.
I wasn't suggesting he was mentally ill because he held the beliefs of that group,
or that that group is in any way bad etc...
I do think it's been hijacked somewhat like other groups that started out good, then got a little too radical because of some.
No, this guy had other problems, if you can find more info on him.
I won't provide links here, but they are out there atm.

It does my conscience good to hear you stand for freedom in that way. :cool2:
 

catocom

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something is wrong with the whole thing.
The first report I heard was that one of the suspects was of hispanic decent,
according to a witness.
Next thing I hear is they've killed these 2 in a shootout.

I expect we'll be hearing more and more on this story, unless they just suppress it.
 

spike

New Member
THEY are the actual bigots, that can't let got of an era gone by.
If they don't keeps things stirred up, they wouldn't have a job.

Era gone by? What? There's a lot of hate groups and bigotry in this era. They fight against that. Looks like you have things mixed up.

duh, the new healthcare law.
Really? you couldn't put that together?

Since it has nothing to do with this incident I would have had to make a gigantic stretch to put this together.

Nowhere in the article does it mention whether he had insurance, if it covered mental issues, or if he would have sought out mental help if he had coverage.
 

spike

New Member
I don't do links to Anyones personal information.

Why are You so defensive about doing some footwork?
You don't know how?

Seems your defensive about doing footwork or don't know how. You made a vague claim that is not backed up by evidence.
 
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