Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current congres

spike

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia won his seat in Congress campaigning as a strict defender of the Constitution. He carries a copy in his pocket and is particularly fond of invoking the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

But it turns out there are parts of the document he doesn't care for - lots of them. He wants to get rid of the language about birthright citizenship, federal income taxes and direct election of senators, among others. He would add plenty of stuff, including explicitly authorizing castration as punishment for child rapists.

This hot-and-cold take on the Constitution is surprisingly common within the GOP, particularly among those like Broun who portray themselves as strict Constitutionalists and who frequently accuse Democrats of twisting the document to serve political aims.

Republicans have proposed at least 42 Constitutional amendments in the current Congress, including one that has gained favor recently to eliminate the automatic grant of citizenship to anyone born in the United States.

Democrats - who typically take a more liberal view of the Constitution as an evolving document - have proposed 27 amendments, and fully one-third of those are part of a package from a single member, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Ill. Jackson's package encapsulates a liberal agenda in which everyone has new rights to quality housing and education, but most of the Democratic proposals deal with less ideological issues such as congressional succession in a national disaster or voting rights in U.S. territories.

The Republican proposals, by contrast, tend to be social and political statements, such as the growing movement to repeal the 14th Amendment's birthright citizenship. Republicans like Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the top GOP lawmaker on the Senate Judiciary Committee, argue that immigrants are abusing the right to gain citizenship for their children, something he says the amendment's authors didn't intend.

Sessions, who routinely accuses Democrats of trying to subvert the Constitution and calls for respecting the document's "plain language," is taking a different approach with the 14th Amendment. "I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the amendment had in mind," he said, "but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen."

Other widely supported Republican amendments would prohibit government ownership of private companies, bar same-sex marriage, require a two-thirds vote in Congress to raise taxes, and - an old favorite - prohibit desecration of the American flag.

During the health care debate, Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., introduced an amendment that would allow voters to directly repeal laws passed by Congress - a move that would radically alter the Founding Fathers' system of checks and balances.

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., who founded a tea party caucus in Congress honoring the growing conservative movement that focuses on Constitutional governance, wants to restrict the president's ability to sign international treaties because she fears the Obama administration might replace the dollar with some sort of global currency.

Broun, who is among the most conservative members of Congress, said he sees no contradiction in his devotion to the Constitution and his desire to rewrite parts of it. He said the Founding Fathers never imagined the size and scope of today's federal government and that he's simply resurrecting their vision by trying to amend it.

"It's not picking and choosing," the second-term congressman said. "We need to do a lot of tweaking to make the Constitution as it was originally intended, instead of some perverse idea of what the Constitution says and does."

The problem with such a view, says constitutional law scholar Mark Kende, is that divining what the framers intended involves subjective judgments infused with politics. Holding up the 2nd Amendment as sacrosanct, for example, while dismissing other parts of the Constitution is "cherry picking," said Kende, director of Drake University's Constitutional Law Center.

Virginia Sloan, an attorney who directs the nonpartisan Constitution Project, agreed.

"There are a lot of people who obviously don't like income taxes. That's a political position," she said of criticism of the 16th Amendment, which authorized the modern federal income tax more than a century ago. "But it's in the Constitution ... and I don't think you can go around saying something is unconstitutional just because you don't like it."

Sloan said that while some proposals to alter the Constitution have merit, most are little more than posturing by politicians trying to connect with voters.

"People are responding to the politics of the day, and that's not what the framers intended," she said. "They intended exactly the opposite - that the Constitution not be used as a political tool."

The good news, Sloan and Kende said, is that such proposals rarely go anywhere.

Since the nation's founding, just 27 have survived the arduous amendment process, and 10 of those came in the initial Bill of Rights.

Only two have come in the past 40 years, and both avoided ideology. One, ratified in 1971, lowered the voting age to 18; the other, ratified in 1992, limited Congress' ability to raise lawmakers' salaries.

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Altron

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

spike, you're missing the distinction.

The Constitution is not 'set in stone'. It's been amended (changed) over two dozen times.

There is a specific procedure to go through making changes to the constitution. That's why you can't own any slaves and your wife gets to vote.

There's nothing wrong with making changes to the Constitution, as long as they are properly ratified. You can be a 'constitutionalist' or a judicial conservative and still support making changes to it through the correct legal channels.

There is a huge distinction between attempting to amend the Constitution, and making laws that conflict the Constitution. Any amendments have to be ratified through a complex process, which IIRC requires the agreement of most (or all) states.

Using the second amendment reference - it's fine and dandy to say "Oh, I disagree with the second amendement, I will propose a 28th amendment that will repeal the second amendment, and then have the states agree on it"
What's not fine and dandy is to say "Oh, I disagree with the second amendment, I will create a law banning guns in my jurisdiction".

The Constution isn't carved into stone. You can make changes. However, there is a stringent process to do so, which is why it has only been done every few decades. It's not impossible for an amendment to be completely repealed (i.e. prohibition)

The issue lies with lawmakers who choose to disregard the constitution. If a law is made that contradicts the Constitution, that law is invalid, and a judge should strike it down as such. The point is that a formal process must be followed, and it must be agreed upon by most people for an Amendment to be ratified. This prevents individual city or state governments from making laws that contradict the constitution (i.e. the clusterfuck that was Kelo v. New London)
 

valkyrie

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

One of the main reasons why the USofA has survived as a nation for so long is because of the flexibility of the Constitution.

When the original meaning of an Amendment no longer has relevance it's time to change it. We no longer have slaves.

I have no problem changing the 1st Section of 14th Amendment. I think this is a loophole that needs to be closed and that citizenship should be given to people born in the US to a mother that is either a citizen herself or a legal resident. People born to visitors and to a mother here illegally should not be given citizenship.
 

spike

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

The Constitution is not 'set in stone'. It's been amended (changed) over two dozen times.

There's nothing wrong with making changes to the Constitution, as long as they are properly ratified. You can be a 'constitutionalist' or a judicial conservative and still support making changes to it through the correct legal channels.

I agree with you. There's been a common accusation from people like RM that Democrats always want to change the country. When in fact Republicans have been trying much more often to change the Constitution.

It's very selective with something like the 2nd Amendment considered untouchable but then not being very concerned about the 1st or 14th Amendments.

Like the article says "People are responding to the politics of the day, and that's not what the framers intended," she said. "They intended exactly the opposite - that the Constitution not be used as a political tool."
 

jimpeel

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

As to the amendment of the fourteenth amendment:

The Constitution was not designed for a woman to sail into an American port, squat on the dock and have a baby, and then re-board the boat homeward bound with their newly minted American citizen.
 

ResearchMonkey

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

Neither was it intended for liberal judges to legislate law from the bench.
 

Altron

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

Or conservative judges to legislate law from the bench.

Well, no, not really.

a judge who is 'judicially conservative' does not seek to impose the current politics or their own opinions on a ruling, but rather makes the decision in line with the constitution, as well as with precedent.
 

spike

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

I wasn't talking about "judiciously conservative". Regular Conservatives that ignore the Constitution when convenient.
 

Altron

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Re: Republicans tried to change the Constitution at least 42 times in the current con

I wasn't talking about "judiciously conservative". Regular Conservatives that ignore the Constitution when convenient.

well, then they're not judicially conservatives, they are conservative judicials.
 
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