Surprise! Koran burner idiot is a radical nutcase

spike

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US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.
The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones' behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts. "Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to "pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them for his own cause," says Schäfer.
By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US. "The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the "immense loss of power and significance."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,716409,00.html
 

Gotholic

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Muslim organizations around the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go ahead.

I wonder what those consequences are? I bet the reaction is violent.
 

catocom

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wow, had to go all the way out to a German website to find a negative story eh?

Looks like it took a couple of days to find it.
 

Cerise

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The pastor is getting support for doing something that millions of us want to see happen.

Funny. We've now learned more about Terry Jones than we have about the imam who is building the mosque at Ground Zero.

At least I know the former is against people flying planes into buildings.

:shrug:
 

2minkey

bootlicker
have fun in your descent into savagery. fortunately most of us are well beyond such infantile gyrations.
 

Cerise

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Oh, wait! I did learn that the Arabic title of the imam's '04 book is: A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of post 9/11 America.

In a 2004 lecture on his book What's Right With Islam, Feisal Abdul Rauf discusses how Sharia law is very similar to the founding principles of America.

The book title in America was What's Right with Islam is What's Right with America, but in Malaysia and the Muslim world the title was A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of post 9/11 America.

Consider that for a moment. From the "rubble" -- one could hardly call the human remains of 3,000 slaughtered people "rubble." It is void of humanity or remorse. Worse still, from the pile of human remains, "Islamic Dawah in post 911 America." Da‘wah means literally "issuing a summons" or "making an invitation," being the active participle of a verb meaning variously "to summon, to invite."

So here again, not only is Rauf's honesty in question, but his motives. The title of his book, his desire of sharia compliance makes plain his motive. His book title in Arabic and the deception of the English title is Islamic propaganda worthy of Goebbels.

Now isn't that special?
 

spike

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The pastor is getting support for doing something that millions of us want to see happen.

Millions? You think there are millions of religious bigot book burner idiots in the US? You might be right but we'll need to see your source for that.

Funny. We've now learned more about Terry Jones than we have about the imam who is building the mosque at Ground Zero.

We? Speak for yourself, many people actually read the articles about and written by the imam instead of knee jerking with anti-American religious hate.

At least I know the former is against people flying planes into buildings.

People who paid attention know the imam is against it. I'm not sure if nutjob Jones has said anything on that subject.
 

MrBishop

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A radical xenophobe from Germany who's into book-burning??!? Who would have thought that such a thing was even possible?
 

2minkey

bootlicker
A radical xenophobe from Germany who's into book-burning??!? Who would have thought that such a thing was even possible?

wasn't there a line on the simpsons that went something like...

"nothing bad could possibly come from germany."
 
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