GM out of bankruptcy: going right back in

jimpeel

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It seems that they managed to rack up $4.3 billion in losses in just six short months. They need another $12.3 billion to fund their pension plan. That tells me that their losses are actually $16.6 billion because you have to earn it before you can spend it.

We didn't want the bailout in the first place, and we sure as hell don't want a government run auto company, so the sooner it goes under for good the better.

Unfortunately, I feel another bailout coming -- real soon.

There is an interesting video discussion at the link.

SOURCE

This Is Progress? GM Loses $4.3B, Needs $12.3B to Fund Its Pension
Posted Apr 07, 2010 02:40pm EDT by Peter Gorenstein in Investing, Recession, Autos, Politics


General Motors is out of bankruptcy but the troubled car giant still can't turn a profit. The company lost $4.3 billion in its first six months since emerging from bankruptcy. GM Chief Financial Officer Christopher P. Liddell is confident the road ahead will be smoother, saying "there's a chance of achieving profitability in 2010."

Let's hope so. The U.S. government owns 61% of the company.

GM is also struggling with its pension obligations; a large portion of GM's loss was due to a settlement with the United Workers Automobile Workers union over retiree health care liabilities.

According to a report by the Government Accountability Office, GM will need to add $12.3 billion into its pension fund by 2014. If GM and Chrysler (which is in the hole $2.6 billion) terminate their pensions, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation – funded by, you know who - would then become responsible for as much as $14.5 billion in unfunded liabilities. However, if GM starts making money the company will be able to pay into the pension, the GAO reports.

Underfunded pensions are a widespread problem, not just for the private sector, as Henry and Aaron discuss in the accompanying clip.

The New York Times reports, an independent report of California's three big pension funds found a shortfall of more than half a trillion dollars. This could lead to a major political problems, especially when and if states raise taxes to bridge the gap. As Aaron points out, this could enrage taxpayers fed up with paying for government worker benefits at a time when the average government employee is making more than private sector workers and receives better benefits.
 

ResearchMonkey

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CEO's Obama money to the unions rescue.

Funny, I know many folks who won't buy a GM anymore, they'd rather buy Ford or Jap. lolol
 

Winky

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Re: GM can never go bankrupt, we will prop it up forever!

I‘ve had three lifelong Chevy guys tell me
they will never buy another one.
Glad I’m a Ford man ;)
 

jimpeel

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The only people buying GM cars are the union hacks. That won't save them. Only seventeen more bailouts can do that.
 

GrandCaravanSE

Active Member
It sounds to me like GM need to produce some better, more reliable, cheaper, and in my mind better looking cars to fix this problem. I mean has anybody seen the new Camaro. it is ugly. Also just as Jeremy Clarkson says of of Topgear. he had the new Corvett ZR1 for 4 days, and by the third day it was falling apart, and on the fourth it would not start.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Cancel the government, start over & stop regualting so much. Allow th eautomakers to thrive by their wits & qualifiactions....or fail by them.
 

GrandCaravanSE

Active Member
Cancel the government, start over & stop regualting so much. Allow th eautomakers to thrive by their wits & qualifiactions....or fail by them.

I agree, let them Make it or break it. I mean the worst that could happen is that they fail, and that is no big deal for me, cause i am a Ford guy.
 

Gonz

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Staff member
The unions didn't make the 500MPG regualtions or the Airbag surrounding your entire body regualtions or the no-pollutant gasoline regualtions....etc. They do, I'll concede, own a majority share of the Democrat party.
 

Dave

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The unions rode GM right into the ground. Just like they did for every other heavy industry this country had. 500mpg and surround air bag regulations had nothing to do with it. Other manufacturers are able to turn a profit with those same regulations. GM simply had too much money tied up in over inflated wages and pension plans.
 
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