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Israel decides to release almost 1,000 prisoners starting Wednesday

Israel's cabinet raised the number of Palestinian prisoners lined up for release to almost 1,000, public radio said, as an Israeli woman and her three children were hurt in a Jerusalem shooting.

The radio said another 442 Palestinians would be released, in addition to the 540 prisoners -- including 210 members of the radical groups Islamic Jihad and Hamas -- already lined up to be freed.

The releases will start on Wednesday, with administrative detainees, security prisoners, illegal workers and criminals making up the new list, the radio said.

Israel's army radio said around 200 of the latest group were also members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but Israeli officials were not immediately available to confirm the reports.

The Palestinians have been pushing for the release of all their estimated 6,000 prisoners in Israeli jails.

In southern Jerusalem late Sunday, a 40-year-old woman was seriously wounded and her three children were also hurt as Palestinian gunmen fired on their car, Israeli emergency service officials said.

The woman's daughter, nine, was shot in the leg, while the other children were only lightly hurt by shrapnel, public radio said. The attack took place near Gilo, a Jewish neighbourhood built on annexed Palestinian land.

The shooting comes exactly a month after the Israeli army pulled out of the nearby West Bank town of Bethlehem and surrounding villages, as part of a deal to transfer security responsibility to Palestinian security forces.

Palestinian security chief Mohammed Dahlan and an Israeli counterpart, General Amos Gilad, meanwhile, failed to agree on further Israeli army withdrawals from West Bank cities, a Palestinian source told AFP.

"The meeting was serious but nothing new came from it," said the source after a meeting between the two at the Erez checkpoint between northern Gaza and Israel.

"There is no agreement between us and Gilad about a withdrawal from Ramallah and Hebron," he said.

Israel said in late July it would withdraw from two more West Bank cities, thought to be Jericho and Qalqilya, following pullbacks in late June and early July from Bethlehem and in the Gaza Strip.

But the Palestinians have insisted the army hand over a major city like Ramallah, saying a withdrawal from Jericho would be little more than cosmetic as it is already under Palestinian control.

The Palestinian leadership earlier Sunday abandoned plans to expel 18 wanted militants from Ramallah.

A row over the 18, who were arrested Saturday at the headquarters of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and were to have been transferred to Jericho or Gaza, prompted a hardline Palestinian group to threaten to end a truce.

But the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades issued a new statement saying it remained committed to the suspension of anti-Israeli attacks. Fourteen of the group arrested in Ramallah are Brigades members.

The Israeli government has urged the Palestinians to crack down on groups such as the Brigades, insisting that the ceasefire announced by the main militant groups on June 29 was insufficient.

But Palestinian minister of state without portfolio Abdelfatah Hamayel said the leadership was seeking "international guarantees" that "hundreds of wanted Palestinians" would not be targeted by Israeli attacks.

In a move designed to give the peace process a further boost, on top of the prisoner releases, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom met his Palestinian counterpart Nabil Shaath in Jerusalem for their first ever formal talks.

After the meeting both ministers declared their commitment to working towards the implementation of the US-backed roadmap for peace and set up a joint committee which would discuss any obstacles.

But the differences between the two sides soon emerged as Shaath said that Israel's construction of a controversial security barrier was "creating a major rift in the peace process".

A senior Israeli official said the Palestinians had been told that the Israeli government had no intention of executing a U-turn on plans to build the barrier across the West Bank.

The Palestinians regard it as a move to preempt the boundaries of any future two-state settlement although Israel insists its intention is merely to stop infiltrations by Palestinian militants.

The truce by Palestinian radical groups including Hamas and Islamic Jihad has led to a sharp drop in violence although tensions on the ground remain.

Israeli police shot dead a Palestinian driver Sunday after the man tried to run away from a checkpoint on the road from Ramallah to Jerusalem, police officials said.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030803/1/3d337.html
 
I was thinking...maybe if we started releasing Al queda members they'd begin to love us and stop the violence.
 
Fuzzy logic. I hate it when they believe people will have good intentions. More likely they'll go 'stupid isreali jellah' (as far as I've figured that means scum) 'lets blow some more innocents up!'. The biggest case of audacity that I have seen regarding the Palestine/Israel situation is some Arab writing in to my local paper as we have a debate going saying that Israeli civvies including women and children are legitimate targets because they can be conscripted at any time. Now if the Israelis pulled that one I'd love to see the outcry from the 'muslim world'!
 
It's impossable to speak logic to those that hate. Yet those that hate can persuade those desperate for peace into lunacy. These are the lengths that the Israelis are willing to go. These are the depths to which they are willing to reach in order to have peace and equality among humanity. Ultimately though, their desperation will only backfire and end with more suffering on their behalf.
 
well I say practice what the Palestinians preach an we'll see who likes that kind of 'rough justice'
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
I was thinking...maybe if we started releasing Al queda members they'd begin to love us and stop the violence.



as much as id love to believe that i dont think they will ver truly love you guys. its a religious barrier and a group of religious zealots killing and dying for their god. sad though it maybe since the Muslim religion is a beautiful peaceful one there are those out there in every religion that will always give it a bad name. Al Queda is one group for teh Muslim religion
 
no freed IRA prisoners (which the US called for btw) have since been rearrested on terrorism charges of any degree

not that this means they are reformed but it is part of an ongoing reconciliation program as a means to scale down the gulf of tension that existed
 
No freed IRA prisoners (which the US called for btw) have since been rearrested on terrorism charges of any degree

There's a difference. The difference is that a: after 9/11 the IRA knew that from then on things weren't going to be as easy for terrorists and b:they didn't want to be catigorized with Arab tarrorists. There is a huge difference in the type of people that are IRA and those that are muslim extremists. Not mind that one is any better than the other. A murderer is a murderer. If you think that some of these people won't continue on the same path with which they left you are mistaken. This is not the first time Israel has made this mistake but hopefully it will be the last.
 
I don't think the IRA used as many suicide bombers either, did they? The attitude is different with these people, to die while doing this is an honor, a privilege, to let them go just gives them another chance to become martyrs.
 
True as well PT. I think it's much easier to believe dying is a good thing if you live an oppressed miserable lifestyle where you basically have no respect for human life. People of the IRA still tend to have it better than most of the world wheras much of the Arab world is dominated/oppressed and living a deprived and unfortunate existance.
 
ihcra said:
no freed IRA prisoners (which the US called for btw) have since been rearrested on terrorism charges of any degree

not that this means they are reformed but it is part of an ongoing reconciliation program as a means to scale down the gulf of tension that existed
Yes but the IRA arent fanatical religious zealots who won't stop until the entire world converts to their version of their relgion.
 
i don't think the palestinian militants are religious zealots who are bent on converting the world. most of them have declared objectives that only refer to israel-palestine.

in addition the ira and other groups could be construed as a religious group as a result of the close ties held between nationalist/republican groups and catholicism. that is as opposed to the largely protestant loyalist groups [orangemen, for example].

of the nearly 350 prisoners to be released it should be noted that 139 had been held without charge and nearly 100 with crimnal offenses or illegally entering israel. the remaining 189 were convicted with being involved with militant or direct attacks on israel. bbc more.

the process must be a slow and reciprocal one. the palestinians are screaming blue for 6000 prisoners to be released. i think it unrealistic for such demands at this early stage in the peace process - just as the palestinian authority cannot realistically be expected to disarm the militant groups at this stage neither can israel be realistically expected to release 6000 prisoners.

i should also add that the early release of ira prisoners has been taking place since 1998 under the good friday agreement, long before the september 11 attacks. if anything the omagh bombing by the real ira splinter group in 1998 did more to push the ira into the peace process than the wtc attacks following the shock and backlash against paramilitaries following many years of relative peace.
 
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