A sign of things to come

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Gonz

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Oct 9, 9:22 AM (ET) By MIKE CORDER

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - Prime Minister John Howard scored a convincing victory in Australia's federal election Saturday, winning a historic fourth term in a vote ensuring the staunch U.S. ally keeps its troops in Iraq.

With more than 70 percent of votes tallied, Howard appeared likely to increase his government's majority in parliament - exceeding most analysts' predictions that the result would be very tight.

"My fellow Australians ... I am truly humbled by this extraordinary expression of confidence in the leadership of this great nation by the coalition," Howard told cheering supporters of his conservative alliance in Sydney.

"In accepting their charge to lead the nation I rededicate myself and all of my colleagues to the service of the Australian people."
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Amazing.

Taken from: Scotsman.com

"In his campaign, Latham said he wanted Australia’s 850 troops serving in and around Iraq home by Christmas, while Howard, a close ally of Bush, was adamant Australia wouldn’t "cut and run" and that its forces would stay as long as they were needed."

The brave Australians have donated 850 troops! This is a major partner in the coalition. They had 2,000 to start with and now have 850. This is exactly where we stand in foriegn relations with a lot of countries.

"The last month of inflammatory US aggression in Iraq has inspired what can only be described as a mutiny: Waves of soldiers, workers and politicians under the command of the US occupation authority are suddenly refusing to follow orders and abandoning their posts. First Spain announced it would withdraw its troops, then Honduras, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua and Kazakhstan. South Korean and Bulgarian troops were pulled back to their bases, while New Zealand is withdrawing its engineers. El Salvador, Norway, the Netherlands and Thailand will likely be next.

And then there are the mutinous members of the US-controlled Iraqi army. Since the latest wave of fighting began, they've been donating their weapons to resistance fighters in the South and refusing to fight in Falluja, saying that they didn't join the army to kill other Iraqis. By late April, Maj. Gen. Martin Dempsey, commander of the 1st Armored Division, was reporting that "about 40 percent [of Iraqi security officers] walked off the job because of intimidation. And about 10 percent actually worked against us."

And it's not just Iraq's soldiers who have been deserting the occupation. Four ministers of the Iraqi Governing Council have resigned their posts in protest. Half the Iraqis with jobs in the secured "green zone"--as translators, drivers, cleaners--are not showing up for work. And that's better than a couple of weeks ago, when 75 percent of Iraqis employed by the US occupation authority stayed home (that staggering figure comes from Adm. David Nash, who oversees the awarding of reconstruction contracts)."

I think your one sided analysis of this situation needs to be deflated.
 
1) What percentage of Australia's military would 850 troops be?

2) If the man who is pledging to keep Australin troops in Iraq for as long as they're needed not only won the election against someone who pledged to pull them out now, but also increased his party's representation in Canberra, then where do you get the idea that we've damaged our relations with a majority of Australians?
 
Inkara1 said:
1) What percentage of Australia's military would 850 troops be?

2) If the man who is pledging to keep Australin troops in Iraq for as long as they're needed not only won the election against someone who pledged to pull them out now, but also increased his party's representation in Canberra, then where do you get the idea that we've damaged our relations with a majority of Australians?
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September 30, 2004
Australians Divided Over Iraq War


1) Inrelation to the number of troops we have in Iraq that number is very small indeed. You tell me what percentage it is wiseguy.

2) (CPOD) Sept. 30, 2004 – The war in Iraq continues to split views in Australia, according to a poll by Ipsos released by the Associated Press. 48 per cent of respondents believe the country was wrong to support the United States-led coalition, while 45 per cent disagree.

Voters will renew the Australian Parliament on Oct. 9. Prime minister John Howard has headed the Australian government since March 1996. Mark Latham became the new Australian Labor Party leader in December 2003.

Australia originally committed 2,000 soldiers to the coalition effort, but currently has about 850 troops in the Persian Gulf. In May, Latham declared that, if he were able to form a government after the federal election, he would bring all Australian troops home by Dec. 25. Howard maintained that the soldiers should remain in Iraq until the job is done.

On Sept. 9, a car bomb exploded outside Australia’s embassy in Indonesia, killing at least nine people. 66 per cent of respondents believe the war in Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism in the world.

Polling Data

Do you think Australia was right or wrong to support the war in Iraq?

Right
45%

Wrong
48%

Don’t know
7%



Do you think the war in Iraq has increased or decreased the threat of terrorism in the world?

Increased threat
66%

Had no effect
23%

Decreased threat
7%

Don’t know
4%
 
Angry Again said:
1) Inrelation to the number of troops we have in Iraq that number is very small indeed. You tell me what percentage it is wiseguy.
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Since you can't seem to answer a simple question, let's look at some numbers.

According to this source, Australia has an available military manpower of 5,061,810. The same source states that the US has an available military manpower og 73,597,731. It's pretty obvious that both numbers count everyone who could be brought in if there were a draft, instead of the actual number of enlisted. That being said, however, we can still see that Australia's military has a maximum size that's 6.8 percent of the maximum size of the US military. Yet you expect Australia to send the same number of troops as the US? Who's the "wiseguy" now?

Angry Again said:
2) (CPOD) Sept. 30, 2004 – The war in Iraq continues to split views in Australia, according to a poll by Ipsos released by the Associated Press. 48 per cent of respondents believe the country was wrong to support the United States-led coalition, while 45 per cent disagree.

Voters will renew the Australian Parliament on Oct. 9. Prime minister John Howard has headed the Australian government since March 1996. Mark Latham became the new Australian Labor Party leader in December 2003.

Australia originally committed 2,000 soldiers to the coalition effort, but currently has about 850 troops in the Persian Gulf. In May, Latham declared that, if he were able to form a government after the federal election, he would bring all Australian troops home by Dec. 25. Howard maintained that the soldiers should remain in Iraq until the job is done.

On Sept. 9, a car bomb exploded outside Australia’s embassy in Indonesia, killing at least nine people. 66 per cent of respondents believe the war in Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism in the world.

Polling Data

Do you think Australia was right or wrong to support the war in Iraq?

Right
45%

Wrong
48%

Don’t know
7%



Do you think the war in Iraq has increased or decreased the threat of terrorism in the world?

Increased threat
66%

Had no effect
23%

Decreased threat
7%

Don’t know
4%
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Random polls are useless without any knowledge of how many people they asked and who they were.
 
males age 15-49: 5,061,810 (2004 est.) so you are correct Inky (CIA numbers)

the part your missing has several componetas that will never show up on your progressive websites. First in contadiction to your polling data Howard won with +70% of the vote in support of stance.

2nd, those 550 soldiers from down under are in place of the 550 US soldiers that would have to replace them.

We have the good toys, we share lots of them, but not all of 'em..

Maybe you're right thoo, those 550 guys dont matter do they. . .
 
heres another fact to compare.

US Military expenditures - dollar figure:​

$370.7 billion (FY04 est.) (March 2003)



AussieMilitary expenditures - dollar figure:​

$14,120.1 million (2003)



So we spend 370 billion and they spend 14 billion. So % of money they spend closly represents there share of the burden.
 
And all of them are there due to deception and lies of teh Bush Admin. This is like pulling teeth.

BTW: Nice little pack of rabid dogs Gonz.
 
you boys play nice or I'll take the lot of you out back and bitchslap you silly.
 
Angry Again said:
BTW: Nice little pack of rabid dogs Gonz.
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So the same person who thinks he can cut-and-paste something and call it his own "analysis" (which is, by the way, plagiarism and therefore illegal) is trying to tell me I can't think for myself.

AA, you'll notice that when I leave negative karma, I sign it. I request you do the same in the future. I'll also point out that because of your lack of establishment, you actually left "even" karma instead of negative.
 
Angry Again said:
And all of them are there due to deception and lies of teh Bush Admin. This is like pulling teeth.

BTW: Nice little pack of rabid dogs Gonz.
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Lies & deceptions?

Like saddam wasn't involved with terror? How many would examples you like? There are several hundred Palestinians glad he's involved. Where would you train to highjack a plane...Iraq has one laying around.

saddam didn't have WMD's? How many examples? I could probably provide names of the dead but I'd rather not have to look.

That saddam hasn't dealt with Al Qaeda? You know, on top of that being ridiculous it's getting incredibly boring. Al Qaeda was/is in Canada, Mexico, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Nigeria, Sudan & even Florida. They had contqacts damned near everywhere but they weren't in Iraq? :disgust:

No lies. No deceptions.


Many of these "rabid dogs" are all adults. They have no need for some johnny come lately to come along slinging barbs as if he/she knows them. If you wish to be a pain in the ass you are welcome to, up to a point. Do not treat them with less respect than they deserve, This includes all OTC members.
 
I see that an opposing viewpoint is not welcome in this forum. All the world is rosy and fresh due to Bush and his war on "TERROR" (Mwahahahahaha). Hard to take that so many peolpe are so fooled by this admin. As for the rest of the comments here and elsewhere on this wretched little hole ine the wall, blah, blah, blah.
 
I think ot hhas far more to do with your calling me and other dogs, thus your attitude is the problem. Of course I know you think it was actually too witty on your part and you're too far above us for us to make a judgement of your statement.

After observing your style of cut/paste and using the work of others as your own, I have no doubt that that your lack of real information lend you easy prey to the hate crowd. You see all this fun bashing going on and you want your piece of the action. whoopdeedee to you bub.

Individuals opposing views are actually cherished, so far you havent been posting your any of your own.
 
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