But it's their culture

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As he stood at the double-door entrance to the office of Iraqi National Olympic Committee president Uday Hussein, the boxer knew what awaited on the other side. He had just returned from a Gulf States competition, where he had been knocked out in the first round. Now it was time to pay the price.

Inside the yellow-and-blue office, Uday, the older of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's two sons, paced the floor, waving his expensive Cuban cigar and glaring out the floor-to-ceiling windows overlooking Baghdad. "He was yelling about how Iraq should not be embarrassed by its athletes," recalls Latif Yahia, employed for nearly five years as Uday's body double -- he would stand in for Uday on occasions that were deemed a security threat -- and one of his closest associates to have escaped to the West. "He kept saying, 'This is my Iraq. Embarrassing Iraq embarrasses me.'"

With a wave of Uday's arm the manacled boxer was led into the room by Iraqi secret service. Sitting behind a dark wood desk beneath an oversized portrait of himself, Uday began his tirade. "In sport you can win or you can lose. I told you not to come home if you didn't win." His voice rising, he walked around the desk and gave the boxer a lesson. "This is how you box," he screamed as he threw a left and a right straight to the fighter's face. Blood dribbled from the athlete's nose as Uday launched another round of punches. Then, using the electric prod he was famous for carrying, Uday jolted the boxer in the chest.

Blood was streaming from a cut above the boxer's eye when Uday ordered his guards to fetch a straight razor. The boxer cried out as Uday held the razor to his throat, and as he moved the blade to the fighter's forehead, Uday laughed. He then shaved the man's eyebrows, an insult to Muslim males. "Take him downstairs and finish the job," Uday screamed.

Says Yahia, "They took him to the basement of the Olympic building. It has a 30-cell prison where athletes -- and anyone else who is out of favor with Uday -- are beaten and tortured. That was the last I ever heard of that boxer."
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So we should respect that and leave them alone.


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now that makes sense flav, i didnt see anything eluding to that comment...
 
Do you really have the 'right' to change another countries culture though? Maybe we don't like it, and maybe by our standards its inferior, but do we have the right to change it, by force or otherwise? I'm not sure if you can make that arguement. You can try I suppose, but either way, it makes the interfering culture look like the "bad guy." Why wouldn't the 'reformed' culture simply not revert to its old ways even after its changed? I don't know about this one. I can see your point, clearly this isn't an acceptable condition to live under, but what can an outsider do? What is morally acceptable to do when trying to change it? Should we even be concerned? Of course, I know, we should be, but I mean from the point of view that we aren't a part of their country or its culture?

Obviously we made our choice, but I'm not sure it was the correct choice. That remains to be seen of course.
 
samcurry said:
now that makes sense flav, i didnt see anything eluding to that comment...
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Maybe this made me think that....

PostCode said:
Executed....time to stop playing nice and level all of Baghdad along with every other fucking city.
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flav, people get pissed off and say the first things that come to their minds. Yeah, I said that. Did I really mean it? No. Leveling the cities of Iraq would do about as much good as it did in WWII when the Germans felt leveling London or the Americans leveling Nuremberg would do. Read up about the carpets bombings of the past. You might learn something.

Don't try preaching to me the wrongs and rights of the killings of civiians. I've seen it. I've seen the innocent's lives taken away.

BTW, this is standards tactical procedure. Level the cities then send the troops in.

The world is a fucked up place flav. Wars have been happening since man started thinking for himself. It's something that will be here until we all kill ourselves. Only then will be able to live in peace and harmony....when were all six feet under and crow fodder.

We can rant and rave all we want about the rights and wrongs of it all, but the basic fact remains. This regime is lead by murderers and followed by fanatical zealists who'll die for the ideals they believe in. Death to anyone not Iraqi or their flavor of Muslim. Look at the Kurds again.....their own countrymen murdered. Same thing with the Shite's down south.
 
Your pretty good at quoting me flav, but I've yet to really read you opinion on this entire matter. Come on. Tell me how good the Iraqi regime is. I need a good laugh right now.
 
Right and wrong do actually mattter. The history of such events will remain long after this war is over. World opinion does matter, much more than many believe. Sure, we don't really need the support of any other nation on earth. We are big enough to go into total isolation and do just fine, but we'd be a hell of a lot better off if we didn't. Furthermore, our standard of living would drop considerably! If we don't consider what is 'right' or 'wrong' we are no better than the regime you wish to topple! Did you ever consider that?
 
RD_151 said:
Do you really have the 'right' to change another countries culture though?
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When they are a threat to our national security or the security of our allies, that would be a boisterous & unabated YES.
 
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