Death of a Pope: The PC aftermath

SouthernN'Proud

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Various tidbits skimmed from tonguetied.us.




A Wisconsin anti-religion group is complaining about the governor’s decision to fly flags at half-mast at state buildings in honor of the pope, according to the Wisconsin State Journal, calling it an illegal endorsement of Roman Catholicism.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, says the move "appears like an endorsement of Roman Catholicism over other religious viewpoints."

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A parent at a public school in Nevada has complained about her child’s school showing students parts of Pope John Paul II’s funeral on television last week, according to the Reno Gazette Journal.

The parent of an elementary school student in Washoe County said she was concerned that showing the pope’s funeral sends a mixed message about what is allowed in public schools about religion.

School officials said they just wanted to show children an example of a historical world event. “If there are parents who don’t want their children participating, they can opt out,” one said.


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Socialists and Greenies in France are whining because the government there has lowered flags at government buildings to half-mast in an official tribute to John Paul II, according to Reuters.

Socialist senator Jean-Luc Melenchon and Yves Contassot, a senior Green party member on the Paris City Council, said the nominally secular government had abused its powers by lowering the flag.s

A government union also complained about state schools participating in a religious tribute.


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Now, I am not Catholic. The Pope bears zero significant weight on my daily life. I was saddened at his passing, I admired the man for his courage and convictions, but that's about as far as it went for me on a personal level. Still, in the grand scheme of world events, this is a major event. It's been a quarter century since school children have had the unique opportunity to witness the Papal election process, the stately funeral, the impact such a passing has on world leaders and events. They need to see this. Key word being see. I doubt any teachers are using the event to try and convert the crumb snatchers to Catholicism.
 
I admired the man for his courage and convictions

Perhaps you are unaware that Cardinal Bernard Law now holds a cushy position within the vatican...

Led the papal mass too, but I don't think you can attribute that one to JPII.
 
chcr said:
Perhaps you are unaware that Cardinal Bernard Law now holds a cushy position within the vatican...

Led the papal mass too, but I don't think you can attribute that one to JPII.

I am aware. I am also aware that Law and the recently deceased Pope are two separate people with two separate lives. Law's misdeeds have zero bearing on the Pope's character in my eyes.
 
Gonz said:
If we teach them, they might learn.


might is the key word.


I say let them fly the flags at half mass. He was an important figure not just to Catholics but to many people around the world
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
I am aware. I am also aware that Law and the recently deceased Pope are two separate people with two separate lives. Law's misdeeds have zero bearing on the Pope's character in my eyes.
I just think it shows that while he payed lip service to being outraged about the buggering of little boys, it wasn't really that important. :shrug: Law covered the shit up for years (and he's just the one we know about). Why wasn't he excommunicated? Sorry, I feel very strongly about this (obviously). IMO, Law is just as guilty as the buggerers themselves.

Note that I have other ideas about the misuse of his authority, but I don't propose to start that shitstorm. Let's just say that I fail to see how so many people who disagreed with virtually everything he stood for will meekly talk about what a wonderful man he was.
 
chcr said:
I just think it shows that while he payed lip service to being outraged about the buggering of little boys, it wasn't really that important. :shrug: Law covered the shit up for years (and he's just the one we know about). Why wasn't he excommunicated? Sorry, I feel very strongly about this (obviously). IMO, Law is just as guilty as the buggerers themselves.

Note that I have other ideas about the misuse of his authority, but I don't propose to start that shitstorm. Let's just say that I fail to see how so many people who disagreed with virtually everything he stood for will meekly talk about what a wonderful man he was.

Bill Clinton covered up getting a blowjob in the oval office by an intern. The whole Democratic party is at fault by your logic. ;)
 
chcr, as I stated, I am not Catholic nor do I concern myself on a daily basis with what this or any other Pope did, said, or thought. My opinion of the man is high for reasons outside the politics of the Catholic church. I eschew the politics of the Baptist church of which I am a member, much less the workings of the leaders of that faith.

I respect your indignation on the issue. I share some of it. I just happen to be of the opinion that the matter may have been judged by someone somewhere to be less than worthy of the direct intervention of the Pope. Please note that I did not endorse the decision if indeed that was what happened; only tossed it out for consideration.

In my world, every man is accountable for his own deeds. If Law jeopardized children by his decisions, he is accountable for that and will be held so some day by a God I believe in. If the Pope did likewise, he will be treated likewise. Who did or did not walk in the Pope's funeral procession is a moot point; the man is dead. He has zero accountability on Earth for anything now. I believe this Pope wa sa strong man with strong convictions, some of which I can get with, some I cannot, some I have no opinion about as I am a Protestant and the matters are of no concern to me.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Bill Clinton covered up getting a blowjob in the oval office by an intern. The whole Democratic party is at fault by your logic. ;)

No, but Bill Clinton and the leaders of the democratic party were and are. Hardly the same thing as buggering little boys though, is it? The Pope was at the time leader of the catholic church. In my opinion he was obligated to get rid of everyone involved in this little pecadillo. Just my opinion, but I lost all respect for him at that point. As I say, it's not the only thing he stood for that I took issue with.

SnP, I couldn't care less about who walked in the pope's funeral procession or said the papal mass. It's the idea that Law was rewarded (by papal appointment) with a relatively easy vatican job for having tried to protect the church from a scandal that an honorable man would have felt duty bound to shout from the rooftops. Just my opinion. I take a very dim view of pedophilia and an even dimmer view of those that try to sweep it under the rug.
 
Oh trust me, I have no use for a pedophile, and I deal with several. Still, accountability. He may get his wrists slapped in this life, but the ultimate judgment awaits, and that is the one that matters.
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
Oh trust me, I have no use for a pedophile, and I deal with several. Still, accountability. He may get his wrists slapped in this life, but the ultimate judgment awaits, and that is the one that matters.
Fine for you but I want retribution in this life. ;)
 
chcr said:
No, but Bill Clinton and the leaders of the democratic party were and are. Hardly the same thing as buggering little boys though, is it? The Pope was at the time leader of the catholic church. In my opinion he was obligated to get rid of everyone involved in this little pecadillo. Just my opinion, but I lost all respect for him at that point. As I say, it's not the only thing he stood for that I took issue with.

And what punishment was levied upon Bill Clinton and the Democratic Party leadership? I don't recall any. As for not being the same thing, it really doesn't matter. Both are wrong, but for different reasons. Now, for the clincher...he was also obligated to forgive everyone involved in this pecadillo. It's an 'occupational hazard' of the church to forgive the sinner. I don't know what punishments could be levied, but I do know that forgiveness is paramount. :shrug: I think that heads should've rolled myself, but I'm a bit worse than you on that note. Everybody involved in the action, and the cover-up, should be charged with the same crime, and punished with the same sentence, but you've come out against that idea on more than one occasion...until it suits your sense of moral outrage. ;)
 
And what punishment was levied upon Bill Clinton and the Democratic Party leadership?

Preachin' to the choir, Gato. The SOB should be in jail for perjury. I couldn't care less that he got his knob polished, but perjury would be a punishable offense for you or me.

Now, for the clincher...he was also obligated to forgive everyone involved in this pecadillo.

You know, intellectually I understand that. Emotionally I have to say fuck that, show me retribution. This kind of shit has been going on in the Roman Catholic church for centuries. I don't think he went far enough. :shrug: Just the way I feel about it. I was just expressing to SnP why I don't find him so admirable as a human being. I guess I could have put it more diplomatically, but surely you've noticed I have a little problem with diplomacy. ;)
 
Preachin' to the choir, Gato. The SOB should be in jail for perjury. I couldn't care less that he got his knob polished, but perjury would be a punishable offense for you or me.




this is true but in this society, he got off due to his status and wealth
 
He got off because he's a Democrat. You'd never, ever seen a Republican President get impeached only to have the Senate trial fail. Look at what the press is doing to DeLay & he's only Speaker.
 
What Cardinal Bernard Law did was a terrible thing. But you don't know his situation now. He might (he probably had to of in order to retain a spot in the clergy) have repented for his ways, which may be the only reason he got a nice job at the Vatican. Christ always did teach forgiveness. It is possible that the pope forgave him of what he has done and gave him a second chance.

Cardinal Bernard Law did a lot for the Church despite his sinful shrouding of the truth behind the abuse scandals...
 
A parent at a public school in Nevada has complained about her child’s school showing students parts of Pope John Paul II’s funeral on television last week, according to the Reno Gazette Journal.

The parent of an elementary school student in Washoe County said she was concerned that showing the pope’s funeral sends a mixed message about what is allowed in public schools about religion.


Oh Come On!!!!!! Its part of history, religion or not-what is wrong with these people.....I think they have WAY too much time on their hands. :alienhuh:
 
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