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From the NY Times today....


At Many Stores, Early Numbers Disappoint
By TRACIE ROZHON

Published: December 5, 2003

Retail sales in November, including the bellwether Thanksgiving weekend, failed to rise to analysts' expectations, suggesting that the Christmas season may not be as good as some retailers hoped a month or two ago.

But for luxury retailers, the season still looks upbeat. Shoppers tended to buy higher-priced, higher-profit items last month, even at discount stores.

"By and large, the analysts' estimates had been fairly reasonable, but the retailers didn't perform," said Ken Perkins, a research analyst at Thomson First Call, which tracks analysts' predictions. "It doesn't mean that definitely December will be bad, too, but I bet you'll see a lot of December estimates pared down."

Wal-Mart, the largest retail chain, reported a 3.9 percent increase in sales at stores that have been open for at least a year, a figure in line with company forecasts. Wal-Mart shares fell 10 percent last month, though they gained 33 cents yesterday, to close at $53.02.

Generally, however, merchants fell short of estimates for October as well as November, Mr. Perkins said, "and that doesn't usually bode well for sales in the holiday period."

High-end department stores like Saks, Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom fared better in November, as did Wal-Mart's closest rival, Target, which said sales rose 6.2 percent, more than a full percentage point higher than the average of analysts' estimates.

Target shares rose 92 cents yesterday on the New York Stock Exchange, to close at $40.15. Nordstrom shares, which have risen more than 10 percent in the last month, slipped 29 cents yesterday, to close at $34.21. Shares of Saks Inc., which had gained 9 percent in November, gave up most of that gain yesterday, falling 94 cents, or more than 6 percent, to close at $14.46.

Kohl's, one of the hottest retailers in the last five years because of its mix of department store and discounter merchandise, said same-store sales fell 4.4 percent last month, more than the 3.1 percent predicted by analysts. In a sign of how fast shoppers' tastes can change, Kohl's posted a 25.9 percent gain in November sales just two years ago.

Kohl's stock has fallen more than 15 percent in the last month but rallied yesterday, closing at $46.96, up $1.67.

Sears, Roebuck also fell below what its executives had forecast for November. It said sales were down 3.6 percent last month; analysts had anticipated a 1 percent increase.

Shares of Sears dropped $2.27, or more than 4 percent, to close at $52.59.

The teenage retailing sector continued to have its runaway winners, led by the California-based Pacific Sunwear, which operates both PacSun and d.e.m.o. shops, reporting an 11.7 percent increase in November - three percentage points more than analysts had predicted.

Aéropostale, another winner, said its sales rose 10.3 percent last month - again, three percentage points above analysts' forecasts.

Abercrombie & Fitch posted another disappointing month, with sales falling 13 percent - more than twice the 5 percent decline that analysts had expected. American Eagle Outfitters also said same-store sales declined, but just slightly more than estimates for November - and far less than in October. Eagle said sales were off 6.2 percent last month, after a drop of 18 percent the month before.

Over all, luxury goods stores continued to rally. Analysts said that President Bush's tax cuts, a strengthening stock market and improving job security, as well as pent-up demand, drove affluent shoppers into stores like Saks Fifth Avenue, where $1,000 watches with diamond-studded bezels and green crocodile bands were big sellers.

Most stores, however, are no longer benefiting from the tax cuts or from the extra cash that many homeowners had after a wave of mortgage refinancings earlier in the year, Mr. Perkins of Thomson First Call said. "The benefits of the tax refunds are drying up," he said, "and the re-fi wave is ebbing."

Compounding the problem for discount stores, he said, is that "there isn't any must-have item for Christmas, especially among toys."
 
CydCharisse said:
Christmas isn't about gifts anyway....

Cyd, don't take this personally, but I'll bet you can't prove that in any meaningful way.

BTW, do you know why christmas is on December 25?
 
I don't even know what the real concept of "The Economy" is anymore.
All I can judge it on is if the gas prices are up or down, or the price of food. :confused:

And everything seems high, still, right now.
Prices may come down, but I haven't seen it yet, myself.
 
Up on the housetop reindeer paws....

http://www.cse.org/informed/issues_template.php/1628.htm?

The U.S. economy is well into a period of robust recovery, thanks in large part to the pro- growth tax relief signed into law by the President:

· Gross Domestic Product grew by 7.2 percent in the third quarter of 2003 – the fastest growth in nearly 20 years – and consensus economic forecasts suggest that it will grow by at least 4 percent in the fourth quarter of this year and the first quarter of next year.

· Shareholder wealth has increased by $3.1 trillion in the past 13 months. Half of this 22-percent increase in shareholder wealth has occurred since the passage of the 2003 tax relief act.

· Spending by businesses (fixed investment and expenses) grew at an 11.1-percent annual rate in the third quarter, following an impressive 7.3-percent gain in the second quarter. In October, inventories decreased for the fifth consecutive month and new export orders increased for the third consecutive month.

· Payroll employment increased by 125,000 jobs in September, and increased again by 126,000 jobs in October. The unemployment rate fell from 6.1 percent to 6.0 percent in October and the number of people who have reported being employed has increased by 1.8 million since the end of the recession.

· Non-farm labor productivity grew at a rate of 8.1 percent in the third quarter of 2003, which has raised real wages and reduced inflationary pressure so that interest
rates have remained at their lowest level since 1954.

· The economic recovery is evidence that the Bush economic plan is working. The tax relief should be made permanent in order to provide taxpayers with certainty
about future rates. This certainty will further assist the recovery.

More economic news:
http://www.bls.gov/bls/newsrels.htm
 
chcr said:
BTW, do you know why christmas is on December 25?



Um, I missed that one on the Christmas quiz, I think. I don't know why Christmas is on the 25th. Something to do with having an opening for a holiday so it just worked out? :shrug:



In a perfect world, Christmas isn't about the gifts.

This world is far from perfect, though.
 
chcr said:
Cyd, don't take this personally, but I'll bet you can't prove that in any meaningful way.

BTW, do you know why christmas is on December 25?


Jesus was born in the winter season but the calendars back then were different from the ones todya and apparently the 25th was closest to hsi actual b-day. and it was a pagan holiday back then wasnt it?
 
freako104 said:
we cant say for sure

Sure we can. It was specifically Saturnalia, a Roman holiday. The christians coopted it in 336 AD. Most historians believe Jesus was born sometime in the first two weeks of January (if in fact he was born at all). The Romans coopted it from the druids, who celebrate the winter solstice. The Romans liked holidays on the same day each year, so instead of celebrating it on the solstice (which changes, of course) they arbitrarily picked the twenty-fifth.

Sorry to be such an egghead, but before I became an atheist I did a lot of religious reading. It always amazes me how little most christian faiths teach their adherents about the history of their faith.
 
my understanding of it is that it is the adoption and reinvention of existing pagan festivals by the early christians to engage those they were trying to convert. the winter solstice falls around the 21st/22nd december and would have been celebrated by many cultures (roman included). in ancient britain the celebration was called yule and was the birth of the sun god in some pagan calendars.

the cooption of existing festivals (sabbats) is visible in the christian calendar at easter (eoster), may day (beltane) and all saint's eve (sawhain). st brigid's day in ireland was placed to replace the strong imbolg festival in february, whitsunday was an attempt to replace midsummer (as was st john's day), the harvest festivals fall around lughnasadh or mabon (autumn equinox in september).

many of the items and customs of the festivals were carried over, such as holly, ivy and the yule log.
 
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