Faith of Science

Gonz

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Some have faith in (fill in deity). Some have faith in science. Some of us, have little faith in either. There is simply too much to know. I have more faith in science than gods but that get shaken when I see such a simple matter that baffles scientists...especially in the 21st century. We're trying to learn about alternate dimensions whne we can't even figure out bats can run.

As if it were not enough that vampire bats can swoop down from the sky to get a blood dinner from their victims, it turns out that they also can run on the ground to sneak up on them.

The finding is surprising because no other bat has been shown to run.

In fact, most can barely walk, shuffling awkwardly from a sprawled position.

Daniel Riskin of the College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University and his colleagues made the discovery at a ranch in Trinidad, where they trapped five adult male vampire bats using cows as bait. They placed the animals on a treadmill inside a plexiglass cage and photographed them with a high-speed camera while the speed of the treadmill was increased.

They were surprised to find that, at higher speed, the animals broke into a full-fledged run. Their stride fulfills the definition of running, Riskin said, because all four limbs lose contact with the ground simultaneously – just as is the case when horses, for example, run.

But their running style is unique, the team reported in last week’s issue of the journal Nature. Other four-legged animals depend on their hind legs for most of their power. But because bats’ front limbs – their wings – are much more powerful than their rear legs, most of the propulsion comes from them.

Bats, the only mammals that fly, lost the ability to run long ago, so Riskin believes the vampire bats re-evolved the ability. But neither he nor anyone else knows why.

Perhaps it just makes it easier for them to get out of the way when cows and other quarry kick at them, or perhaps it helps them chase smaller prey, he said.

Maybe these scientists need to get outside more.
 
I think your confusing faith in science with faith in scientists, which is not really all that much different than confusing faith in the supernatural with faith in the clergy.
 
Sorry cat, I was referring to Gonz.

I think you have to look long and hard at any scientist that is well known simply because a scientist rarely becomes "well known" by being a good scientist.
 
In order for science to be known, it has to first be siphoned thru scientists. Same applies to religion.
 
Gonz said:
In order for science to be known, it has to first be siphoned thru scientists. Same applies to religion.

I disagree. Not that I don't get most of my science that way, but the scientists nor the clergy are ncessary to the experience.
 
How can the average Joe decipher the wonders of a black hole? Hell, I can't see germs...we have faith in scientists.
 
Gonz said:
How can the average Joe decipher the wonders of a black hole? Hell, I can't see germs...we have faith in scientists.

Sure you can, Gonz. Haven't you ever heard of a microscope? ;)

You have faith in scientists. I want it explained so I can understand it, then I will still draw my own conclusions.
 
Some instances in science to me is "seeing is believing".
Others such as the folding for instance, is that I have faith that positive
results will come from my time spend on it.
I do have some faith and trust in some scientist, but I don't really think
they all can be lumped in together. There are too many different sciences.

I have faith that god gave some people the ability to figure this out.
 
chcr said:
Sure you can, Gonz. Haven't you ever heard of a microscope? ;)

Looked in one too. Didn't see anything distinguishable. Some blobs or something. Must have been dust in my eye.
 
catocom said:
I meant as scientist. :D

I was trying to decide if I really worded that right, but decided to leave it. :lloyd:
I understood what you meant, cat. It was clear. Of course you know that I don't agree, but that's really irrelevant.
 
Gonz said:
In order for science to be known, it has to first be siphoned thru scientists. Same applies to religion.



and here I thought it was usually siphoned through a scientist but not always. Not everyone who has made some discovery was not a scientist or a clergyman or priest or whatever religion you choose to use. People have made these kinds of discoveries since they are curious. Scientists have a bit more to them since they are usually more educated
 
Science or religion? Hell what about engineers? You can see it, touch it and be in awe of what humans can achieve.
 
Science & religin require faith. Engineering requires walking in the building, drinking form the fountain, driving in the car, using the telephone...in short, everything we can touch.
 
Gonz said:
Science & religin require faith. Engineering requires walking in the building, drinking form the fountain, driving in the car, using the telephone...in short, everything we can touch.
nuht uhh :D
I engineered a lot of stuff in my head, I just haven't realized it yet. :D
 
Gonz said:
Science & religin require faith. Engineering requires walking in the building, drinking form the fountain, driving in the car, using the telephone...in short, everything we can touch.

You sure? When you build from a design you have to have faith that it will work. Did Brunel know the Clifton suspension bridge would work? How about Joseph Bazalgette, he built the worlds first sewage system under London did faith not play a part in this?

BTW all yours are examples of using enginered devices.
 
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