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greenfreak

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I know I'm asking for trouble in posting this but I also know how vehemently everyone else feels about this. I do have a couple of questions, as I am not as up to date on the world as I should be (but I'm reading, and I'm trying!)... I'll post them after the article so you remember to consider them. :)

Canada PM links Sept. 11 to 'arrogant' West


OTTAWA, Canada (Reuters) --Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien has linked the September 11 suicide attacks to the perceived arrogance and selfishness of the United States and the West.

Chretien is the first leader of a western major nation to suggest that the suicide hijackers might have been motivated by what he describes as the misguided policies of a rich and powerful West that did not understand the need for restraint.

The veteran prime minister, who has been in power for nine years, told the CBC in an interview aired late Wednesday that there was "a lot of resentment" about the way in which powerful nations treated the increasing number of poor and dispossessed people in the world.

"You know, you cannot exercise your powers to the point of humiliation for others. That is what the Western world -- not only the Americans, the Western world -- has to realize. Because they (the have-nots) are human beings too. There are long-term consequences if you don't look hard at the reality in 10 or 20 (or) 30 years from now," he said.

Chretien continued: "And I do think the Western world is getting too rich in relation to the poor world and necessarily, you know, we're looked upon as being arrogant, self-satisfied greedy and with no limits. And September 11 is an occasion for me to realize it even more."

A total of 3,025 people -- including 23 Canadians -- died in the September 11 attacks.

Chretien comes from the moderate left of Canada's ruling Liberal Party, which has sometimes looked upon Republican administrations with suspicion.

Canadian Transport Minister David Collenette -- also on the left of the party -- went further in an interview with the CBC that was broadcast in the same September 11 package as the prime minister's. He likened some leading players in the United States to bullies on an ice hockey rink.

Chretien's relations with U.S. President George W. Bush have always been cool and his criticism of Washington's increasingly unilateral foreign policy is unlikely to win him fresh friends in the White House.

The leader of the right-wing Canadian Alliance party, which is generally more favorably inclined toward the United States, quickly branded Chretien's musings as a disgrace.

"(His) comments -- particularly coming on the anniversary of September 11 -- blaming the victim are shameful. What was behind the events of September 11 are the forces of evil and hatred," said Stephen Harper.

"These must be resisted by free and democratic societies and their leaders. His comments are unacceptable, and he should apologize to the United States and to the families of the Canadian victims."

The local CBC radio station in Ottawa was flooded with calls Thursday morning from listeners backing Chretien.

Bush met Chretien last week amid a concerted U.S. effort to persuade its allies of the need to overthrow Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. Chretien stressed instead the need to work through the United Nations to build a coalition.

Chretien's reflective comments were highly unusual for a man known as a down-to-earth politician with little time for the deeper philosophy of governance.

The one skill the West and the United States seemed to lack was that of knowing when to exercise some restraint, he said.

"It's always the problem when you read history -- (no one) knows when to stop. There's a moment, you know, when you have to stop," he told the CBC, saying he had made this point to a group of Wall Street executives unhappy that Canada had full diplomatic relations with arch U.S. foe Cuba.

"And I said that day...'When you're (as) powerful (as) you are, you guys, it's the time to be nice'."

Collenette himself showed little signs of restraint, telling the CBC that the collapse of the Soviet Union had removed an important check on U.S. foreign policy.

"There will be people in the United States sort of emboldened by their new source of unfettered power to -- in an (ice) hockey term -- get their elbows up," he said.

Foreign policy has never been high on Chretien's agenda, with the notable exception of Africa. At this year's summit of the Group of Eight most powerful nations, Chretien -- as host -- insisted his fellow leaders pay particular attention to a plan designed to help combat endemic poverty in Africa.

"I think the western world is a bit too selfish and that there is a lot of resentment. I felt it when I dealt with the African file for the G8 summit. You know, the poor get relatively poorer all the time and the rich are getting richer all the time," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/09/12/attack.canada.blame.reut/index.html

When he says 'The West', is Canada not in the West also? Is he essentially including Canada in his statements? And do you think that if you only read his statements, that it would be as much of an 'insult' as the article writer is making it out to be? Just curious to hear your opinions. :)
 
When people say "the Western world", they're generally talking about America.

There is a saying, though: "Ignorance is bliss" I'm not directing that towards America either.
 
I just have one thing to say about this. As mad as reading that made me, being a patriotic American, I do see his point, and I do believe the terrorists had very valid reasons. I just think they went too far.
 
greenfreak said:
When he says 'The West', is Canada not in the West also? Is he essentially including Canada in his statements? And do you think that if you only read his statements, that it would be as much of an 'insult' as the article writer is making it out to be? Just curious to hear your opinions. :)

Yes, I think he's including Canada in his statements, he has before in reference to greed, and I'm sure if we had the whole speech, it'd read a little differently than that.

(One also has to remember that he, unlike most Canadians who have at least one if not two native languages, he's not able to speak English, French nor any other language fluently :retard:)
 
yes, britain and europe too, as part of the 'west' we all have responsibility and blame in the events of last year.
 
So let me get this straight...

Chretien says that we caused 9-11 because we are arrogant, greedy, and self-serving. How does that explain the fact that we (meaning the west) do more to help these idiots out than they do themselves? Perhaps we should just pull all of our money out of these places, and force them to fend for themselves. No more oil purchases...no more education benefits...no more exports or imports...no more treaties...no more anything. When they fight each other, even to the point of genocide, we do not interfere. Perhaps that is what they want. :grumpy:
 
You guys should know that some is never enough. Give a needy person a nickle, and he wants a buck. Give a poor country schools, and they want teachers. Give them anything, and you open the door to greed. After all, why should those who worked hard to build their countries into something great not give up that greatness for the common slob? That's civilisation at it's greatest, isn't it? After all, look at how much can be done over there with so little american money. The price of a cup of coffee can feed a family over there for a month. So what if that family hasn't done a thing to earn that price.

What pisses me off is that I'm sure there's a line in the moslem holy book that declares greed and envy sins.
 
Another thought here... Since we have given to poorer countries in the past, and we (the US) is in trouble with our own economy now, who is going to help us? No one. We have to help ourselves. But the millions that get spent on foreign endeavors could go to use to combat hunger, homelessness and the like right here. Right or wrong, it makes me a little indignant about the whole thing.

Then again, true charity is giving of yourself without the expectation of getting anything in return, right? :shrug:
 
i don't know about the arragements IMF has with another countries, but in the case of Mexico, we pay every single cent of the money we receive with interests.
 
It is getting to a point where we're sacrificing the well being of the inhabitants of our own nation to make things better for third world countries (and I use that term loosely, I am well aware that many of the countries that are receiving assistance are not really classified third world countries, but it's easier to type third world countries), as a mother would do for her children. But I think now is the time for the "mother" to start helping herself. It's not that I don't like the idea of helping all the countries in need, because I'm all for it, if we're in a condition to afford doing so, but the current state isn't one of those conditions.

Maybe if we'd start using our heads and blow up every country that hates the USA, there'd be less worries about terrorist attacks and wars and all that stuff, and maybe we could stand to donate food out to some other countries. There's no reason for some people to hate us as much as they do anyway.

IMO, we need to close the borders, extract our own resources, and stay that way forever. That way we can focus on fixing OUR problems. No other country wants our help, so no other country will get it. Every other country will blow up every other country and soon we'll be all that's left, and people will be forced to live in our "horrible" country! mUAhaHaHaHaHAAHahaHAH! :headbang:
 
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