India and Isreal buisness partners. Pakistan is worried.

IDLEchild

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India oneups Pakistan

India has been negotiating the PHALCON deal for several years. But the United States persuaded Israel to delay the agreement last year because of tensions between India and Pakistan were high.

However, Washington lifted its objections recently, and last month's visit by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to New Delhi paved the way for finalizing the deal.
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Interesting how US is the big poppa in all of this.
 
"India also wants to buy anti-ballistic Arrow missiles from Israel, but this has yet to be cleared by the United States, which funded the system's research and development. "

this has me wondering just what the US role and intentions are in the whole deal, and also, why do they get the final say in allowing them, i don't understand but am interested to find out if someone could fill me in
 
breaky said:
"India also wants to buy anti-ballistic Arrow missiles from Israel, but this has yet to be cleared by the United States, which funded the system's research and development. "

this has me wondering just what the US role and intentions are in the whole deal, and also, why do they get the final say in allowing them, i don't understand but am interested to find out if someone could fill me in
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US funded the development and research, they own the copyrights to it as well as Isreal. If Isreal wants to sell them it has to get the permission from the US.
 
oh, now i understand, thanks....so is this how the US gets more countries under their control? well, one of the ways, by dictating who can and can't use the weapons developed? sounds like a good plan for ganging up on certain countries
 
breaky said:
oh, now i understand, thanks....so is this how the US gets more countries under their control? well, one of the ways, by dictating who can and can't use the weapons developed? sounds like a good plan for ganging up on certain countries
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Well to be fair most of these countries that are threats are headed by pompous morons who don't care for their people. US simply fights fire with fire.
 
breaky said:
oh, now i understand, thanks....so is this how the US gets more countries under their control? well, one of the ways, by dictating who can and can't use the weapons developed? sounds like a good plan for ganging up on certain countries
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There are no countries "under our control" that we're not currently in an active war stance with. Many countries have decided to play ball with us for a number of reasons, usually economically inclined. A few that we share weapons with are treatied to not give/sell/share the weapons without our approval. Fortuantely many of those countries actually like us.

We aren't the big bad wolf that so many seem to make us. Historically, the amount of countries that we've "conquered" would be part of the US empire. Let's see, there's Hawaii & Puerto Rico that could fall under empire. One is a state & the other likes our welfare for no taxes stance. Otherwise, there's Germany, Japan, S Korea (all independent countries with provisions that fall under the American umbrella of protection) & Israel. France decided they didn't need our help anymore. (hehe). Hell, most of western & central Eurpoe & we're not collecting taxes from a single one.

No empires here.
 
Buttcrackdivine said:
Well to be fair most of these countries that are threats are headed by pompous morons who don't care for their people. US simply fights fire with fire.
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you're absultely right, and if the US can get away with it then i say go for it. it's actually a pretty smart way to stay on top though it still doesn't stop countries doing things on the side though. i wonder what would happen if say they just altered the weapons or whatever a little bit using their own countries money, could they then consider it there own and be free to do whatever they choose with it
 
Who are we kidding? Economic control is about the most powerful hold you can have over a country. And if they fail to succumb to economic sanction we just invade anyway...:shrug:
 
Squiggy said:
Who are we kidding? Economic control is about the most powerful hold you can have over a country. And if they fail to succumb to economic sanction we just invade anyway...:shrug:
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What the hell are you going on about now?
 
Squiggy said:
Who are we kidding? Economic control is about the most powerful hold you can have over a country. And if they fail to succumb to economic sanction we just invade anyway...:shrug:
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Not like they are achieveing anything better on their own. The war was justified for me. Iraq has made gains and will continue to do so in coming years.

Saddam was not making anything better.

We invade but people make it sound as if we invade every other week.
 
Just debunking the idea of minimizing the power of economic control that we hold over so many coutries and how we use it to get them to do our biding...Its not insignificant...thats all. :nerd:
 
Ain't it nice being a superpower. That's one of the perks, economic stability in the face of world-wide upheavel. The wealth is spread among the classes & the top 100 list keeps changing. Nothing to apologize for here. Let them wallow in their self-defeating taxations & social programs. Someday, somehow, the rest of the world will come to understand that any man, given the freedom can & will prosper, just as we have.
 
breaky said:
i wonder what would happen if say they just altered the weapons or whatever a little bit using their own countries money, could they then consider it there own and be free to do whatever they choose with it
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Ahh you'd think so but it is very hard to do so. First they would have to acqquire the technology illegelly which is quite hard without tipping over any undercover agents spread out around the world or anyone for that matter. Second: even modifying these is ridiculously expensive. Third: If they manage to pass those hurdles and suddenly come out with their own missiles overnight that causes a lot of suspicion. Weapons development is a costly process with years of research, a third world country depleting their resources for a unknown cause is very fishy. Any Joe schmoe country who wants one suddenly having developed their own in a matter of weeks is very shady.

It is easier to just buy them from the black market and hide them rather then shoot yourself in the foot and modify a superpowers weapon and call it your own.

Fortunetly weapons aren't easily manipulated as music tracks.
 
good point, i never really thought of it that way, you're totally right. besides there are so many people watching from different countries that you can't really get away with bugger all, not with the major powers anyway. and sly dealings are just wrong, though i'm sure there's alot of countries that do it, fingers in pockets and all. good point
 
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