Iraq Watch: Saddam’s landslide win

HeXp£Øi±

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On the day when Saddam Hussein was reelected president by a landslide, a fascinating New York Times story takes us to Tikrit, the northern Iraqi city where the despot — sorry, the democratically elected president — was born. According to the Times, the throngs "marshaled outside polling places in Tikrit were determined to leave nobody in any doubt as to Mr. Hussein's popularity. Hundreds of Tikritis in a state of near hysteria shouted 'Bush, Bush, listen, we love our great leader, President Saddam Hussein!'" Indeed, the voters often "appeared to be in a trance, transported by their worship of Mr. Hussein, and by their contempt for President Bush, from the grim realities of everyday life in Iraq to a state of bliss. Women carrying pins punctured their fingers so they could mark their 'yes' votes in blood. Men followed suit, using the blunt edges of paper clips as makeshift knives to start the blood flowing."

There was, needless to say, "no opposition candidate, no election campaign, no public appearances by the secretive Mr. Hussein, and no semblance of secrecy in the balloting procedures." Iraqis were given a choice, sure — the choice of voting "yes" or "no" to another term in office for their beloved leader. Yet despite the Orwellian quality of the whole affair, the Times reports that the "Iraqis approached the voting with a deadly earnestness, for many reasons, not least the importance of registering their loyalty to Mr. Hussein." (Given the history of Hussein's regime, "deadly" would seem to be an appropriate word.)

In other words, it was just another day in the life of a totalitarian "democracy." Iraq in election season, the Times suggests, best resembles not America or any Western democracy, but China "during the Cultural Revolution . . . While the crowds then were vastly greater, the messianic fervor appeared to be much the same. In Mao, China's Red Guards found a leader whose every word was the graven truth, and whose actions, however harsh, were embraced with unquestioning zeal." (This is particularly true in Tikrit, which has been showered with Hussein's largesse since he assumed power, and which is regarded by many military planners as the dictator's principle "power center" outside Baghdad.)

It's worth noting that the last time that the Iraqi dictator stood for reelection, in 1996, he received a staggering 99.96 percent of the vote. That may seem like a fairly safe majority to those of us used to Gore-Bush tussles and hanging chads — but this time around, Hussein is apparently poised to do even better. According to election officials, most of the .04 percent "no" vote last time (about 3,600 Iraqis, give or take, out of nine million voters) was due to spoiled ballots and other voter errors. This year, they have already estimated that their beloved president will receive the whole 100 percent, thanks to better organization and superior election procedures.

Or maybe it's just that everyone who voted "no" last time has been shot.

Source: National Review
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-douthat101602.asp
 
2 boxes at the ballot ... one is for your vote for Saddam .. the other is for your body if you fail to vote for Saddam.
 
He got the 100% as well. Despite the fact that several people were seen to vote no, or to abstain.
 
I think if they knew they wouldn't get killed for it they would vote for bush. They're third world Arabs but still human.
 
they will not embrace the USA, and they will die before that happen.
 
Luis G said:
they will not embrace the USA, and they will die before that happen.
No, that is not true. A LOT, and I repeat, a LOT of teens and young people in Arabian countries LOVE the United States. They love the music. Movies. Internet. Computers. TVs. Entertainment. Unfortunately, the religious authorities do NOT share that, and to keep control they ban all these things. That way the young people get jealous. Jealousy leads to hatred. Hatred leads to violence. While a lot of Iraqis don't like the United States, within one generation that will go away. Not to mention the Kurds won't be hunted like wild animals anymore.
 
Luis G said:
embrace as in adopt their rule (aka, lose their souvergnity)
Most of them won't really care as long as you leave them alone in relative peace. They like to tend their goats and their sheep. They are nomads. Some care for outside influence though. The majority of the population won't care I think. Just let them do things the traditional way and let nature run its course.
 
If I understand correctly, his last "election" only netted him 99.6% of the yea votes. Those who voted against him haven't been seen or heard from since. This election theme was 100% or bust.

LUIS G said:
they will not embrace the USA, and they will die before that happen.

How about, lets give them a true democratic choice. Remove all the brutal dictators. Allow the men & women, who are citizens in their respective countries, to vote, in peace & secretly. Give them clear choices. Not an America Lover vs an America Hater. Two or threee true choices to oversee their government for a limited time(before new elections). I'd bet my life that they'd choose somebody that fell between a dictator & an anarchist. That's what most non-nuts want. A leader who will allow them to go about their lives with little to no interference. One who is prepared to take care of business & leave the "liitle guy" take care of his.
 
you are missing the point Gonz, it isn't a matter of wether they have more choices, they don't want the USA and they will not embrace it, that's all.
 
I disagree. I think the Iraqis will embrace us to a certain extent. It's the Saudies and half of the other Arab nations who won't appriciate us. Regardless of anything positive we might do in the area.
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
I disagree. I think the Iraqis will embrace us to a certain extent. It's the Saudies and half of the other Arab nations who won't appriciate us. Regardless of anything positive we might do in the area.
I disagree as well. 97% of the Arabs won't really mind. Excluding the Palestinian fucks. Luis, I don't know where you get it from that they would mind so much, but they won't. Let 95% of the population own their goat and farm and they would be happy. They couldn't care less what happens in Israel or if they must pray on a Friday afternoon. And allowing US stuff (entertainment mostly) into the country will make the young people much happier than they are.

Contrarty to popular anti-American beliefs, a LOT of the world actually DO like the USA and the goodies from it, including most Arab countries. Its just the religious police and authorities that hate it because they can't control it.
 
Luis G said:
you are missing the point Gonz, it isn't a matter of wether they have more choices, they don't want the USA and they will not embrace it, that's all.

No, the point is that they aren't even being given a realistic opportunity to voice that opinion. Not under Saddam. You may be right Luis, but unless we remove that tyrant, we'll never really know.
 
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