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SouthernN'Proud
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I sure wouldn't mind seeing a few Christians stand up for their beliefs instead of allowing them to be trampled on by everyone else.
Christianity teaches its followers that they are not to "force feed" their doctrine on those who do not believe. Free will and free choice is espoused. Many Christians have interpreted this to mean, do not put up resistance. They apparently feel that God will vindicate His people, His message, and fulfill His prophecy. I too think this will happen, and that right soon. I do not, however, think that Christians are to simply sit by passively and allow Christianity to be ridden out of town on a rail.
If conservative students start to protest the absolute crap that gets passed off as education on college campuses, I welcome it. I've often been fascinated to see how lefties like it when they are on the receiving end of a few jabs here and there. I'm a people watcher by nature; people fascinate me. Human nature is a never ending source of amazement for me. Guess that's why I got that psych degree. In any event, I enjoy watching people and their behaviors. Reactionary behavior has become one of my little hobbies. That's one reason I love these message boards...stir some shit and watch what floats. It tells me a lot more about you than you think, when I know what to look for. And I'm learning what to look for around here. But I digress.
Kudos to these and other students who have had enough of the accepted and approved liberal bullshit and are taking a moral stand for truth. Maybe I need to email them a few links concerning the mid- to late- 1860s...
Christianity teaches its followers that they are not to "force feed" their doctrine on those who do not believe. Free will and free choice is espoused. Many Christians have interpreted this to mean, do not put up resistance. They apparently feel that God will vindicate His people, His message, and fulfill His prophecy. I too think this will happen, and that right soon. I do not, however, think that Christians are to simply sit by passively and allow Christianity to be ridden out of town on a rail.
If conservative students start to protest the absolute crap that gets passed off as education on college campuses, I welcome it. I've often been fascinated to see how lefties like it when they are on the receiving end of a few jabs here and there. I'm a people watcher by nature; people fascinate me. Human nature is a never ending source of amazement for me. Guess that's why I got that psych degree. In any event, I enjoy watching people and their behaviors. Reactionary behavior has become one of my little hobbies. That's one reason I love these message boards...stir some shit and watch what floats. It tells me a lot more about you than you think, when I know what to look for. And I'm learning what to look for around here. But I digress.
Kudos to these and other students who have had enough of the accepted and approved liberal bullshit and are taking a moral stand for truth. Maybe I need to email them a few links concerning the mid- to late- 1860s...
rrfield
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I would have to agree with this. If this becomes mandated, profs and teachers will be too afraid to bring up touchy topics. Everyone will lose.
This is a classic case of sour grapes. Conservative students, possibly from small rural towns where their conservative beliefs have never been challanged, are sudden;y thrust into an environment where people have different opinions. Some adjust and learn to cope. Some actually thrive and make a mark in one way or another. Some cower and cry.
Also, use some common sense. You KNOW the instructor in a Peace Studies course is probably going to be pretty far left. Odds are a Business instructor is probably going to lean to the right.
My Grandmother, rest in peace, was a staunch conservative. She encouraged all of her conservative grandchildren to attend liberal universities. Why? So they would learn to defend what they believe.
abooja
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I love hearing stories like this. As the product of a liberal NYC education, it's encouraging to read that some students are speaking out against the liberal doctrines they are historically forcefed in American universities.
There was a feminist history professor at my school who was notorious for giving bad grades to outspoken members of the conservative student body, many of whom were business majors. In her particular case, her anger was exacerbated by the cruel irony of her real name -- Nancy Reagin. I received an A in her class because I was a good student, but also because I never publically challenged her. Of course, I was a liberal myself in those days.
Then there was the case of my first ever English class at this same university. I was an English major but, because I registered late, I was stuck taking a class in feminist literature -- Women Writing About Themselves. I am not exaggerating when I say that at least half of the books we were required to read in that course were written by lesbians, about lesbian life. The professor was very obviously a lesbian herself and often spoke disparagingly in class of heterosexual mores and traditions. I am only slightly embarrassed to admit this, but I was deliberately evasive about my sexuality to this professor and, in an effort to get a good grade, I wrote about subjects that I thought she would find provocative in a daily journal I kept for extra credit, including the fact that I was then a vegetarian and a registered Democrat. Got an A, of course.
Yes, it is a great thing to be intellectually challenged. However, when the vast majority of those doing the challenging share the same political agenda, and then try to impose this agenda on to a captive (and, in most cases, paying) audience, intellectual discourse is necessarily stifled.
There was a feminist history professor at my school who was notorious for giving bad grades to outspoken members of the conservative student body, many of whom were business majors. In her particular case, her anger was exacerbated by the cruel irony of her real name -- Nancy Reagin. I received an A in her class because I was a good student, but also because I never publically challenged her. Of course, I was a liberal myself in those days.
Then there was the case of my first ever English class at this same university. I was an English major but, because I registered late, I was stuck taking a class in feminist literature -- Women Writing About Themselves. I am not exaggerating when I say that at least half of the books we were required to read in that course were written by lesbians, about lesbian life. The professor was very obviously a lesbian herself and often spoke disparagingly in class of heterosexual mores and traditions. I am only slightly embarrassed to admit this, but I was deliberately evasive about my sexuality to this professor and, in an effort to get a good grade, I wrote about subjects that I thought she would find provocative in a daily journal I kept for extra credit, including the fact that I was then a vegetarian and a registered Democrat. Got an A, of course.
Yes, it is a great thing to be intellectually challenged. However, when the vast majority of those doing the challenging share the same political agenda, and then try to impose this agenda on to a captive (and, in most cases, paying) audience, intellectual discourse is necessarily stifled.
HomeLAN
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rrfield said:
No, this is a case of one group, whose rights have been one of the damned few sets NOT defended, but have been shoved aside in favor of someone else's rights and beliefs, saying "Enough's enough". How many times do Christians need to see every reference to thier reigion at Christmas time get restricted while Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Winter Soltice and what have you run freely before you'd expect them to say "Fuck you"? Hell, I'm agnostic and I'm surprised it's taken this long.
The same principal is being applied in collegiate classroms, with the added effect of the perpetrator deciding your grade.
Which is exactly what they're doing. Who's got a case of sour grapes, again? Might it be you, and the rest of the folks who believe that a whole bunch of traditions suddenly need to be changed and that conservative views need desperately to be supressed?
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
One of the more interesting educational events of my college years occurred so early on I almost missed its significance. It took me a while to fully appreciate what I had experienced.
During my freshman year, I took a required course in American History. The time period covered in the course included the American Revolution.
The instructor was British.
He recited the material, just as we had learned it from grammar school forward. As the lecture approached the actual firing of the first shots, he then changed gears on us. He became, well, British.
He called to question every complaint the 13 colonies made. He justified the British stance on each, then presented the British view of these events in an enlightening, educational, and entertaining way. He then moved on and eventually we took our exam. As expected, we had to regurgitate names, dates, various acts and deeds...then that essay question.
"In your own words, using materials from any source included or outside this course, justify the colonial reaction to British rule. Explain why the American colonies deserved the right to be independent and self govern."
I came out of the class with a B, but an A on that exam. I later told this man what impact this class had on me and my thought processes in later course work. He smiled and replied, "Then I succeeded. There were no right or wrong answers on that essay question. I only want to see that you are thinking for yourself instead of reciting rote fact from memory."
That, to me, is an educator.
During my freshman year, I took a required course in American History. The time period covered in the course included the American Revolution.
The instructor was British.
He recited the material, just as we had learned it from grammar school forward. As the lecture approached the actual firing of the first shots, he then changed gears on us. He became, well, British.
He called to question every complaint the 13 colonies made. He justified the British stance on each, then presented the British view of these events in an enlightening, educational, and entertaining way. He then moved on and eventually we took our exam. As expected, we had to regurgitate names, dates, various acts and deeds...then that essay question.
"In your own words, using materials from any source included or outside this course, justify the colonial reaction to British rule. Explain why the American colonies deserved the right to be independent and self govern."
I came out of the class with a B, but an A on that exam. I later told this man what impact this class had on me and my thought processes in later course work. He smiled and replied, "Then I succeeded. There were no right or wrong answers on that essay question. I only want to see that you are thinking for yourself instead of reciting rote fact from memory."
That, to me, is an educator.
HomeLAN
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http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041215/NEWS18/412150341
Why did that have to be mandated? I don't see you bitching until it's Christian right-wingers doing this shit.