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from the New York Times...

Brazil Jails American Airlines Pilot Over Fingerprinting Snub
By LARRY ROHTER

Published: January 15, 2004

IO DE JANEIRO, Jan. 14 — An American Airlines pilot arriving in São Paulo, Brazil's largest city, was jailed Wednesday after he protested new procedures requiring the fingerprinting and photographing of all incoming United States citizens by making what Federal Police officers described as an obscene gesture.

Eleven other crew members on the same flight from Miami were refused entry to Brazil and detained after the police said that they had refused to be fingerprinted and behaved in a "derisive" manner. They were ordered to return to the United States on the next available flight, which was to leave São Paulo on Wednesday night.

The dispute heightened Brazilian-American tensions that started Jan. 1 when Brazil demanded that arriving American citizens — and American citizens alone — be photographed and fingerprinted. The policy was in retaliation for increased security measures in the United States that require citizens of all but 27 countries, mostly European, to undergo nearly identical procedures.

At a conference of Western Hemisphere heads of government on Monday, Brazil's president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, personally asked President Bush that Brazilians be exempted from the requirements. He followed that on Tuesday with public criticism of the United States procedures, saying to reporters that "if the problem is to fight terrorism, this measure makes no sense" because "we have no culture of terrorism" in Brazil.

The police said that the American Airlines pilot, Dale Hersh, 52, had been charged with "disrespect for authority," an offense that carries a jail term of six months to one year. It was unclear whether he would be allowed to leave the country before facing trial, and the United States Consulate in São Paulo issued a statement saying that American officials were "working with both the Federal Police and American Airlines to resolve the matter."

American Airlines is one of the biggest carriers from the United States to Brazil and the rest of Latin America, with flights from New York City, Miami and Dallas to Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and Belo Horizonte. A spokeswoman in Miami, Martha Pantin, said in a telephone interview that the company "regrets any misunderstanding" with the Brazilian authorities and plans to continue its normal flight schedule.

"American Airlines and its employees pride themselves on always being professional and courteous with everyone with whom they come in contact," she said. "The company apologizes to the Brazilian government, the airport authorities, the police or anyone else who may have perceived anything they believe to be disrespectful."
 
Too bad we can't just tattoo people like that flight crew with "ugly American" on their foreheads.... it would make it easier to avoid them... :disgust2:

Stories like this infuriate me, -- that sort of behaviour only reinforces the stereotype the rest of the world has of US citizens. There's a reason so many Americans pretend to be Canadian when they travel.
 
unclehobart said:
I am of the opinion that our schlock TV exports do more to harm the national image.

It certainly doesn't help, however the people I have come into contact with in Europe seem to separate TV America from Americans pretty well. Their opinions are formed by their personal experience with the typically loud and obnoxious tourist who doesn't understand why they can't do [place activity, food or drink here] the way they do back home. :rolleyes:
 
unclehobart said:
I am of the opinion that our schlock TV exports do more to harm the national image.
You're probably right, but that doesn't alter the fact that this guy is getting what he deserves.
 
Ooops, being fingerprinted in prison is gonna be the last of his worries now..............back to the wall airboy :erm:
 
Ok...thought you meant brazil was a terrorist state. His remark is saying that Brazil is not a terrorist state. Not that they can't be hit by terrorists. We are making them do the fingerprint thing here. They are doing the same to us to protest being categorized that way.
 
I thought he was saying that there's no terrorism in Brazil, not just that they're not a terrorist state. Ireland isn't a terrorist state either, but they've had a lot of problems there with the IRA and car bombs for a long time. It seemed to me like he was thinking terrorism won't rear its ugly head in Brazil, and we've seen what complacency can do.

Personally, I think it's fair that we should be fingerprinted by them if they're being fingerprinted by us. Terrorists can spring up anywhere, and quite a few of them are American citizens. I'd like to see them fingerprint others too, though.

I don't have anything to hide so I don't mind being fingerprinted. Yes, I have a line, but that doesn't cross it.
 
it's a case of waht is good for the goose is good for the gander.

If I am going to any other country I don't talk about my rights, cause I'm in their country, as a visitor, which means I have whatever rights they give me.

If they want to Photoraph and fingerprint me, I will let them, if I don't want that treatment, I will stay home.

What amazes me is that fact that some people (not only americans) beleive the rights they have at home travel with them.
 
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