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spike

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Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida

WASHINGTON — An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden's al Qaida terrorist network.

The Pentagon-sponsored study, scheduled for release later this week, did confirm that Saddam's regime provided some support to other terrorist groups, particularly in the Middle East, U.S. officials told McClatchy. However, his security services were directed primarily against Iraqi exiles, Shiite Muslims, Kurds and others he considered enemies of his regime.

The new study of the Iraqi regime's archives found no documents indicating a "direct operational link" between Hussein's Iraq and al Qaida before the invasion, according to a U.S. official familiar with the report.

He and others spoke to McClatchy on condition of anonymity because the study isn't due to be shared with Congress and released before Wednesday.

President Bush and his aides used Saddam's alleged relationship with al Qaida, along with Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction, as arguments for invading Iraq after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld claimed in September 2002 that the United States had "bulletproof" evidence of cooperation between the radical Islamist terror group and Saddam's secular dictatorship.

Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell cited multiple linkages between Saddam and al Qaida in a watershed February 2003 speech to the United Nations Security Council to build international support for the invasion. Almost every one of the examples Powell cited turned out to be based on bogus or misinterpreted intelligence.

As recently as last July, Bush tried to tie al Qaida to the ongoing violence in Iraq. [/B]"The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is a crowd that is now bombing people, killing innocent men, women and children, many of whom are Muslims," he said.

The new study, entitled "Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents", was essentially completed last year and has been undergoing what one U.S. intelligence official described as a "painful" declassification review.

It was produced by a federally-funded think tank, the Institute for Defense Analyses, under contract to the Norfolk, Va.-based U.S. Joint Forces Command.

Spokesmen for the Joint Forces Command declined to comment until the report is released. One of the report's authors, Kevin Woods, also declined to comment.

The issue of al Qaida in Iraq already has played a role in the 2008 presidential campaign.

Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, mocked Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, recently for saying that he'd keep some U.S. troops in Iraq if al Qaida established a base there.

"I have some news. Al Qaida is in Iraq," McCain told supporters. Obama retorted that, "There was no such thing as al Qaida in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade." (In fact, al Qaida in Iraq didn't emerge until 2004, a year after the invasion.)

The new study appears destined to be used by both critics and supporters of Bush's decision to invade Iraq to advance their own familiar arguments.

While the documents reveal no Saddam-al Qaida links, they do show that Saddam and his underlings were willing to use terrorism against enemies of the regime and had ties to regional and global terrorist groups, the officials said.

However, the U.S. intelligence official, who's read the full report, played down the prospect of any major new revelations, saying, "I don't think there's any surprises there."

Saddam, whose regime was relentlessly secular, was wary of Islamic extremist groups such as al Qaida, although like many other Arab leaders, he gave some financial support to Palestinian groups that sponsored terrorism against Israel.

According to the State Department's annual report on global terrorism for 2002 — the last before the Iraq invasion — Saddam supported the militant Islamic group Hamas in Gaza, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, a radical, Syrian-based terrorist group.

Saddam also hosted Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, although the Abu Nidal Organization was more active when he lived in Libya and he was murdered in Baghdad in August 2002, possibly on Saddam's orders.

An earlier study based on the captured Iraqi documents, released by the Joint Forces Command in March 2006, found that a militia Saddam formed after the 1991 Persian Gulf war, the Fedayeen Saddam, planned assassinations and bombings against his enemies. Those included Iraqi exiles and opponents in Iraq's Kurdish and Shiite communities.

Other documents indicate that the Fedayeen Saddam opened paramilitary training camps that, starting in 1998, hosted "Arab volunteers" from outside of Iraq. What happened to the non-Iraqi volunteers is unknown, however, according to the earlier study.

The new Pentagon study isn't the first to refute earlier administration contentions about Saddam and al Qaida.

A September 2006 report by the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Saddam was "distrustful of al Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al Qaida to provide material or operational support."

The Senate report, citing an FBI debriefing of a senior Iraqi spy, Faruq Hijazi, said that Saddam turned down a request for assistance by bin Laden which he made at a 1995 meeting in Sudan with an Iraqi operative.


In other news

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to Al Qaeda or both.

http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26486
 

paul_valaru

100% Pure Canadian Beef
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2minkey

bootlicker
so, then, this report is being published to, what, try to convince the morons that think there were substantial pre-war iraq-al quada ties that there actually were not? what a waste of taxpayer money. those people will never understand, whatever the evidence or lack thereof. they're too busy on an ideological super-wank to take notice. forget it. done. case closed. saddam was al quada. we beat him. we won. everyone wave your miniature american flag and go watch rambo, again. hey, my generation is really going to enjoy paying for your mess, fuckheads.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
yeah, let's make it real simple so's everybody can understand. let's not make any distinctions that might get in the way of our poster session.

and then daddy will come and protect us from the boogeyman. we won't have to make any decisions. no tough ideas. nothing that might upset our adolescent understandings. yes, bliss. beautiful, fearful bliss.

just watch the bouncing head...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aizz0o9fPWU
 

2minkey

bootlicker
yes. and that one incident has translated into a lifetime of boogeymen in imaginary shadows for the ignorant.

some people just get stuck, and stop learning. and that's fine as long as they don't expect the rest of the world to consider them relevant. rest comfortably.

and don't forget to keep mailing in your payments.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
It wasn't just one incident. It was a growing list of rapidly recurring incidents. Which have, strangely enough, stopped when we fought back. hmmmmm
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
Which have, strangely enough, stopped when we fought back. hmmmmm

I don't think so.
some have been stopped there, some have been thwarted here, and III believe
some smaller attacks have succeeded.

That's not to say we need to stop fighting though.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
"a list of rapidly recurring incidents."

so, where's that list and how many times have each of those incidents recurred?

oh, right, gato's list of B-sides.

save me, gonz, save me with your heroism, as "we" fight the bad guys from your la-z-boy.
 

paul_valaru

100% Pure Canadian Beef
Hey look, it's the boogeyman

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but that was al-queida....

some times name brands make a diffrence, no point in invading a hunts plant is it was heinz ketchup that attacked you.

Unless the hunt's plant had more oil.
 

spike

New Member
"A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp." - 1984
 

Cerise

Well-Known Member
He and others spoke to McClatchy on condition of anonymity because the study isn't due to be shared with Congress and released before Wednesday.

Has an official pdf. link to the study out yet?

Is it the same "U.S. official familiar with the report" that claimed Iran wasn't making nukes, but then recanted his statement?

Until then....blast from the past:


Additionally, the indictment states that Al Qaeda reached an agreement
with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that
they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons
development. http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110602_nlt.html

Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.

Papers found yesterday in the bombed headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, reveal that an al-Qa'eda envoy was invited clandestinely to Baghdad in March 1998.

The documents show that the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al-Qa'eda based on their mutual hatred of America and Saudi Arabia. The meeting apparently went so well that it was extended by a week and ended with arrangements being discussed for bin Laden to visit Baghdad. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...27.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/27/ixnewstop.html
 

2minkey

bootlicker
hmmmm three pages stapled together huh.

sounds pretty substantial to me.

next you're going to tell me that india and pakistan are working toward common objectives. because the ideological rift between thems is not nearly as profound as that between a-q and our dearly departed saddam.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
Between the '93 tower bombing & ending with the USS Cole

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Right after I wrote this, I got in the shower & realized I made a horrible mistake but didn't have tome to correct it.

Go back to the U.S. Embassy in Tehran
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
The war is against al-qaeda or terror? Last I heard, it was called the war on terror. :shrug:
 
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