Its OK to slaughter people, if its under the UN.

ResearchMonkey

ResearchMonkey

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OK, so if you’re a white European with the blessing of the UN, you can shoot black people and it doesn’t make headline news for more then a minute. Godda' love them enlightened Frogs, alway doing things right.

Is it Because their French, because it's the UN, or is it because their just black people, ...or all three.

I cant' figure it out.

I was going to compare this to the US soldier incident, but there is no comparison, this is far beyond that and needs to be recognized on its own merits.



French foreign policy inaction.

Now I wasn’t there so I can only go off of what I see and read. What I see is appalling, what I have read does not justify the shooting and the accounts are not quite clear.

The media seems to be quite quiet about this. The french are even more so, they have went as far to say that they don’t know what happened during this incident.

I have obtained ~400megs of footage of this incident from half-dozen cameras. This clip comes from the same camera which was close to the fire-line.

What I am not showing is the aftermath, the wounded and killed, which there are plenty of. Over 200 wounded, I can’t find an accurate number of killed yet.


The video was taken on Nov 9th in the Ivory Coast; the French are there as peace-keepers for the UN. Regardless of why they are there, this particular incident seems to have been handled in the wrong way. There appears to be a loss of fire-control by the French troops.

OK, what the video shows is: Thousands of what appear to be non-violent locals protesting. Then the French open up and begin shooting into the crowd, what sounds like heavy gun fire hitting the people. Then you begin to hear whistles, they seem to be signaling cease fire signal. After the firing ceases, the people are furious yet they don’t appear to be violent even after the massacre.

Whether the French forces came under fire or one or two of them started banging away on their own who knows. I haven’t found footage that I can confirm as the opening moments of fire.

The full version shows the mood in the crowd prior to the gun-fire


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256k short version - mainly the fire incident -4megs

100k feed Full length 2.9megs


As far as I can tell this is all wrong, it shouldn't have went down like this. Somebody needs to pony up some answers on the actions of these French troops.
 
As much as I dislike the UN & distrust the French, something has to be missing from that footage. Something very very important.
 
I do not think slaughter is ever ok. This is one of those situations where I will say the UN should have stopped it
 
Yup Freako,

This is the UN's handy werk. Another shiney day under the authority of the UN. Funny that this has been kept so under wraps, thank the bloggers for bringing this to light.



Gonz.

Well that would be the normal thinking among rational people. I have been looking for some justification for this particular incident, I can't find one. The French have not offered any specifics.

The video ends with the french bugging-out not long after the shooting, then an abandoned UN vehical gets torched.

I've been going thru the footage, I have not seen or heard anything coming from the rear direction (by comparing the audio tracks and looking for timing difference.)

I haven't been able to find any refernce to the protesters firing any guns.

But let say, for the sake of argument, that there was sniper shooting into the Frogs. Would that justify opening up into the rest of the people like it clearly shows?

I am reluctant to show the carnage, it is considerable!!!! Many dead, many more scores wounded litter the ground. One woman can be seen holding foliage/leaves in her hand before the shooting - after she is on the ground trying to breath. Several people had their heads literally blown off by hi-power rifles.

The french have 2-4 snipers in the building above the troops during this time. The snipers evac'ed quickly and left 2 nap-sacks behind, one contained Ketamine tabs.

Do you see anything behavior before or after to justify this? Another note is that several people have major wounds to their feet, legs, and abdomens - - they were not shooting over the crown, they were shooting into the crowd. A number of people have entrance and exit wounds.



The fire-power unleashed seems to be a lack of fire-control. BTW, more firing takes place past the point I stopped the video. You hear nothing other then the military fire as far as I can tell. There is a noise at one point that may be a single lower .Cal round, I havent got to reviewing that quite yet.


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I wont drop these other straight on the forum, but they arent like the worst pics you have ever seen. Click of your own accord.

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...actually, I would feel better if someone could find a justification for this. As it appears, ....this is another Kent State type of loss of fire control.

(maybe surrender was the only other option)
 
ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast Nov 10, 2004 — Security forces fired on armed attackers Tuesday as thousands of angry government loyalists massed outside a French evacuation post for foreigners, reportedly killing seven people and wounding 200 in violence pitting France against its former prize colony.

Denying any responsibility, France's military said loyalist demonstrators opened fire as a French convoy left the post, and Ivorian security forces returned fire.

The bloodletting erupted at a onetime luxury hotel French forces have commandeered as an evacuation center for 1,300 French and other foreigners rescued from rampages across the commercial capital, Abidjan.

An Associated Press photographer saw the bodies of three demonstrators outside a hospital, their bodies draped in Ivorian flags.
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The news paints a slightly different picture. I don't really see any way you could tell from the videos who was or was not armed or who fired first. :shrug: Anyway, there are news reports. I can't tell whether it's overzealous military or simply soldiers firing in self defense.

Oh, and it's not the UN exactly, it's the French troops (Ivory Coast was a French colony).
 
Assuming that somehow you are certain that an enemy is unarmed, perhaps because you have already searched him or disarmed him, is it ever justified to kill him anyway? That question was answered more than half a century ago, when German troops wearing American uniforms and speaking English infiltrated American lines during the Battle of the Bulge.

Those German troops, when captured, were lined up against a wall and shot dead. And nobody wrung his hands about it.
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yeah I have read a few reports, I see your says "on armed attackers " thats awful vauge with little to offer for good reason to open up to the extent they did. What is the source, the French?

Denying any responsibility, France's military said loyalist demonstrators opened fire as a French convoy left the post, and Ivorian security forces returned fire.
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So instead of producing any proof like dented armor or french wounded, they deny they had anything t do with. The video sure is a good fake then.

...the Frogs did the firing, the 'convoy' didn't bug out until after the major shooting(s) ... as there is more shooting to be done a few minutes later.

What did they assault with, the weapon of choice there seems to be the machette. Many of the French dont seem to be to worried about incoming fire, as they just stand there and watch other fire.

So are they "UN peace keepers" or are they simply protecting the French Citizen at the cost of 7+200 of far less important people that are haveing a civil war.

I see the link at ABC goes far and wide to point out other incidents as the justifcation for this action, but yet it does little to actually show justification here for shooting into the crowd. .... and of course, the french didn't even do it.

I mean come on, we far more violent outburst here after a play-off game.

There are two people that are past the rope barricade, it that considered a rush to over take the defensive line. RATATATATATATAT


this is graphic, quite graphic.

So this woman was an armed attacker attacking?

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OBTW, those french, the ones that didn't do any shooting. When the snipers left, they left behind some spent brass .... and their nap-sacks.

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But opps, forgot to take their luggage when they checked out.

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I have found something, ...maybe. I'm trying to get some confimation as to what this may be.

It may be a gun, so far it has not been ID'ed as being any known model.

Not sure what this is.


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What is the source, the French?
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The source is AP which really means we have no idea who the story comes from. Where did the video come from? Who shot it and who put it on the net? Although it is completely unlike the Marine incident (as you stated), the thing they have in common is that we don't have enough credible information to make a judgement. :shrug: Given the rising tide of violence in the Ivory Coast lately, It's a little difficult to believe no one in the crowd was armed.
 
freako104 said:
I know. But read my post. It is supposed to actually stop those things from happening
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So why didn't it work this time? Perhaps the US wasn't involved, so everybody looked the other way...;)
 
So why didn't it work this time? Perhaps the US wasn't involved, so everybody looked the other way...
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Heh, the french and the UN are working together here.

It is supposed to actually stop those things from happening
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wrong; the UN only likes to PRETEND that it can actually stop these things from happening. (didn't do so well with IRAQ did they??) The UN is a superficial safety net, or blanket for us 'civilised' countries of 'democracy' to hold on to in order to believe that we as 'civilised' people still have a degree of control in the world, that PEACE is a viable and realistic option.

Both "peace-keepers" like to think that they are doing the right thing "for the people" as much as the militants and rebels think they do. Either way, both are prepared to be trigger-happy in order to "achieve" what they want. Unfortunately, both oversee the fact that violence and hatred only incites more violence and hatred.

The only way a conflict can be resolved is where one side surrenders or is overcome by the other, stronger force.

Unfortunately, even if they are trying to establish a good cause - even the french army a responsible for unneccesary bloodshed. Just like, as we have seen, the U.S army in Iraq. As is what happens in any conflict.

Unfortunately - both sides reguardless of what side they are on - are not immune to senseless attacks, and are by no means immune to these sorts of situations getting 'out of control' and miscalculated.
 
A person with a gun is dangerous.
A person with a gun and an agenda is a greater danger.
A politician with an army is a disaster waiting to happen
A politician with an ideal is a disaster already happened.
 
Professur said:
A person with a gun is dangerous.
A person with a gun and an agenda is a greater danger.
A politician with an army is a disaster waiting to happen
A politician with an ideal is a disaster already happened.
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:clap: thats good, I'll have to remember that one...
 
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