Joseph Biden (D)

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HeXp£Øi±

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Any opinions? He's one of the few Democrats i really like. Think he'd be a decent candidate for president? Personally i think he could beat the current crowd no sweat.
 
I think he could be a decent candidate. But he tends to hug the centerline a little too tightly for me to take him seriously. I'd like to see him choose some issues to be a little more passionate about.
 
Plagiarism can have catastrophic consequences for one's career as a student and even later on in life—and the higher one's ambition takes one, the higher the stakes. In 1987, for instance, Senator Joe Biden, who was seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, was accused of plagiarizing passages in speeches and interviews from the oratory of a British politician, Neil Kinnock. Here are some of the passages in question:
Kinnock (original):
Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university?
Was it because our predecessors were thick? Does anybody really think that they didn't get what we had because they didn't have the talent or the strength or the endurance or the commitment? Of course not. It was because there was no platform upon which they could stand.
Biden:
I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college?
Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? . . . No, it's not because they weren't as smart. It's not because they didn't work as hard. It's because they didn't have a platform upon which to stand . . .

It turned out Biden had also borrowed passages from old campaign speeches by Robert Kennedy and had inflated his academic record. But oratory has a long tradition of borrowing and even "heavy lifting," as speechwriters call it, so Biden stayed alive in the presidential race. The last straw, however, came when it turned out that twenty years earlier Biden had received a failing grade in a law school course for plagiarizing a legal article (he'd given a single footnote while lifting five full pages from the article). Biden said he'd been unaware of the appropriate standards for legal briefs, but the public was unimpressed. His campaign collapsed and he withdrew from the race.
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Err, umm...

I guess after one prez lies under oath about being blown and the next lies to start a war, a little friendly plagiarism doesn't seem so bad.
 
chcr said:
Err, umm...

I guess after one prez lies under oath about being blown and the next lies to start a war, a little friendly plagiarism doesn't seem so bad.
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Plagiarism isn't bad at all really. It might be slightly in bad taste but it's not against the law and it doesn't harm anyone. Definetely not in the same catagory as undermining the oath of the office of the president of the United States and repeatedly lying under oath while firing off rockets to steal headlines from accusers.
 
Plagiarism isn't bad at all really. It might be slightly in bad taste but it's not against the law and it doesn't harm anyone.
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You don't find it indicative of a larger pattern of lies and deceit...

Oh, wait. He's a politician. :rolleyes:
 
Slightly in bad taste? Were it GW that had been exposed as a plagiarizer, the Dem's here would jump all over it as an indication of just how intellectually challenged he is... and rightly so. Why is it any different in this case?

It's not murder, but as an indicator of character and intelligence of the person who wants to run our country, it's just a tad higher on the totem pole than "slightly in bad taste."
 
outside looking in said:
Slightly in bad taste? Were it GW that had been exposed as a plagiarizer, the Dem's here would jump all over it as an indication of just how intellectually challenged he is... and rightly so. Why is it any different in this case?

It's not murder, but as an indicator of character and intelligence of the person who wants to run our country, it's just a tad higher on the totem pole than "slightly in bad taste."
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Look at the rest of the field boys! Sorry but this year everyone is going to have to kiss a frog. There are no princes.
 
Look at the rest of the field boys! Sorry but this year everyone is going to have to kiss a frog. There are no princes.
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In what way do you find this different from previous elections?
 
chcr said:
In what way do you find this different from previous elections?
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uuuuh.....got me there. What's that old saying, desperate times bring forth good men. Something like that. Where the hell are all the good men? Where are the passionates that care about our nation? I guess a couple years back i had hoped our global situation would bring forth some of these "good men" from the woodwork. No such luck.
I'd probably settle for Giuliani at this point. Although i saw him the other day and i couldn't believe it, he looks like he's aged ten years!

Sincerely : Dismayed
 
HeXp£Øi± said:
Where the hell are all the good men? Where are the passionates that care about our nation?
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Well, it's not quite what you're after because they're busy in the private sector & doing a hell of a job. (oh, and he's a woman)

Operation AC
 
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