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Gonz

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From Jan 2008

Obama said:
What I've said is that we would put a, uh, cap-and-trade system in place that is more -- that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anybody else's out there. So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that, uh, greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

Obama said:
Regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money, they will pass that money on to consumers. If you can't persuade the American people that, yes, there's going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing lightbulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy, that the economy will benefit. If we can't make that argument persuasively enough, you -- you can -- you can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington, you're not gonna get that done.

He's looking to bankrupt the coal industry & to increase consumer costs for electricity. It's for our opwn good, donchaknow?
 
Kinda out of context with out this huh?

"But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can’t, then we’re gonna still be working on alternatives."


Also your point kinda disappears when you add this bit.

Update (12:28AM, Nov. 3): On Sunday, John McCain launched the final attack of his campaign, a fraudulent assault on Barack Obama that serves as a fitting reminder of the fundamental dishonesty not only of his own campaign, but also of the dishonesty of his allies in the right-wing propaganda establishment: Matt Drudge and FOX News.

All you need to know to understand the video is that the Drudge, FOX, and the McCain campaign joined forces with Newsbusters to push a story that the San Francisco Chronicle had concealed an eleven month old recording that supposedly contained devastating audio of Barack Obama proposing to bankrupt the entire coal industry.

Not only was that story false (more detail below), but it turns out that Barack Obama and John McCain have the same position on clean coal technology (update: for more on why clean coal is kind of like a healthy cigarette, see Brad Johnson's excellent post on the topic), and Ohio's Republican senator said McCain's plan to fight global warming would "put coal out of business." Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP6i...om/2008/11/ohios-gop-senator-mccain-will.html

Here's the facts that the McCain-Drudge-FOX axis of weasel does not want you to know: The Chronicle had not concealed the recording, which had been on the newspaper's website all along. And rather than reveal some sinister scheme, what it actually demonstrated was that Barack Obama supported clean coal technology -- a position he shares with none other than John McCain.

Despite the fact that both candidates support clean coal technology, the McCain campaign tried to make the case that Barack Obama wanted to take away jobs from coal country in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and both Drudge and FOX were happy to oblige.

But just three years ago on the floor of the United States Senate, John McCain's Republican colleague George Voinovich of Ohio took to the floor to argue against a proposal by McCain to curb greenhouse gas emissions. McCain's proposal, Voinovich said, would "put coal out of business" and cost thousands of jobs, an argument that McCain did not contest.

In fact, McCain agreed that his plan would require sacrifice, but he also argued (correctly) that in the long-run, America would be better off. In other words, he made the exact same arguments as Barack Obama -- and as you can see above, it was all on video.

The clips I used from FOX were actually attacking Barack Obama, but the fact that you could just as easily have swapped McCain in place of Obama reveals how their media enterprise is really a propaganda operation in which political figures are nothing more than character actors taking up space in their pre-ordained dramatic narrative.

They aren't dealing with reality, they are trying to construct a new reality. For years, they've been able to maintain political power by doing just that, but now that the reality of their disastrous governance has caught up to them, their ability to lie their way to victory has been severely damaged.

For better or for worse, it's a lesson they still haven't learned. They still think they can fake their way through it.

But that's not really the important thing. The important thing is that we are overcoming their grip on power. And for that, the world is a better place.

p.s.: By popular demand, the siren stays up.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/11/ohios-gop-senator-mccain-will.html


Now what were you saying?
 
I quoted Obama. I diidn't hear McCain say he was gonna increase utilitiy bills nor acuse coal to go bankrupt.

Who said I agree with McCains stance anyway?
 
I quoted Obama. I diidn't hear McCain say he was gonna increase utilitiy bills nor acuse coal to go bankrupt.

Who said I agree with McCains stance anyway?

You (and Cerise in the other thread) intentionally quoted Obama out of context and disregarded that McCain has the same position to try and use one more pathetic scare tactic to mislead people.

It's not going to work this time.
 
You (and Cerise in the other thread) intentionally quoted Obama out of context and disregarded that McCain has the same position to try and use one more pathetic scare tactic to mislead people.

It's not going to work this time.

they have little else.

hey let's throw out one last, pathetic "barack hussein obama" just to scare the fraidy cats.

the whole be afraid of obama can of crap has utterly backfired amongst anyone with a rational bone in their body. it's only rallied the trailer park fascist vote. and while that represents a large chunk of the republican base these days, the tactics are not doing so well with independent (i.e. maybe they think more than chant and go marching) voters.
 
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