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Ardsgaine
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Gato_Solo said:
Well, you were both right, then. It was from the program adopted by the National Socialist Party of Germany (aka the Nazis) in 1920. They called themselves socialists for a reason. Fascism is a socialist philosophy. By that I mean that they believe society is supreme over the individual. Individual rights and indvidual happiness must be sacrificed for society. Fascists and communists do not differ on that point, they just differ on who they define as the important element of society. Fascists define society by race or nationality, while communists define it by class.
In contrast, capitalists identify the individual as the important element of society. Fascists and communists may quibble over who should benefit from the sacrifice of the individual, but their true opponent is the capitalist. The true battle in politics is between collectivism and individualism, between statism and individual rights. Both fascism and communism (and any other variant of socialism) are in the collectivist/statist camp. The capitalist stands opposed to them, upholding individualism and individual rights. This is the measure of where one stands on the political spectrum: what position do you take on individual rights? If you deny individual rights, you are on the left. If you support individual rights, you are on the right.
I am a right-winger. There is no one to the right of me. Hitler was a leftist. Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, Fidel Castro, and Osama Ben Laden are all leftists of varying degrees. All dictators and would-be dictators are leftists, because they all believe in the sacrifice of the individual to the state.
Just wanted to clear that up. Remember it the next time the press identifies some group of fascists in Europe, or out in Montanna, as right-wingers. They're not.
GOD ALMIGHTY
YHWH
We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living."-Democratic Party
"The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand ... an end to the power of the financial interests."-Democratic Party
"We demand profit sharing in big business."-Unions
"We demand a broad extension of care for the aged."AARP
"We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments."-US Federal Government
"In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . ."-Jesse Jackson
"The government must undertake the improvement of public health-by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor ... by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."-NOW
"[We] combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of "The Common Good Before the Individual Good."-Fidel Castro
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"The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand ... an end to the power of the financial interests."-Democratic Party
"We demand profit sharing in big business."-Unions
"We demand a broad extension of care for the aged."AARP
"We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments."-US Federal Government
"In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . ."-Jesse Jackson
"The government must undertake the improvement of public health-by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor ... by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."-NOW
"[We] combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of "The Common Good Before the Individual Good."-Fidel Castro
todays facists biker
Ardsgaine
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chcr said:
Sorry, but Dubya's to the left of me.
Since you're new, chcr, I'll go ahead and explain my view in more detail. The leftists have attempted to portray the political spectrum as having fascism on one end and communism on the other end. That's the choice they want us to make. It's insipid and it completely denies the reality that communism and fascism grew up out of the socialist movements of the 19th century. Mussolini was a Marxist before he split off to form his own party.
Capitalism predates both fascism and communism. It came out of the writings of John Locke and is based on the ideal of individual sovereignity. Capitalism seeks to limit the power of the state to the protection of individual rights, including the right to property. It is often referred to as liberal democracy (liberal in the sense of protecting liberty), but capitalism is the economic system that results when government is thus limited.
There has never been a pure, laissez-faire form of capitalism, because the protection for private ownership of property has never been consistently applied. The US came closest to this ideal in the period after Reconstruction and prior to WWI, basically the period of the Industrial Revolution. Anyone who thinks that Nazi-Germany was a capitalist state, is... let's just say they're unfamiliar with history.