Now that's the GW I support
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ResearchMonkey
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So when Kerry looked into the cameras and said he wouldn't raise taxes; does that mean he won't roll back the tax cuts on people earning under $200k/yr. Is rolling back the tax cuts on people earning under $200k the same as raising taxes?
catocom
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I thought GW missed a few spots were he really could have blasted Kerry,
but it is tough to thing of everything when you on stage. I think he did way
better this time around, and I look for the last one to be a show stopper.
I do wish he had talked a little more about the Patriot act. as Kerry flat
out lied on that one.
Now on Kerry....
I though he did about as good as the first one...almost.
He did open up about 25% on some insight into some of what he would/might do,
but the other 75% sounded like a broken record.
There were 2 maybe 3 questions that was asked to Kerry, and he just went
out into left field, and never came back to make any connection. He really
didn't look quite as focused, and did look too rehearsed.
but it is tough to thing of everything when you on stage. I think he did way
better this time around, and I look for the last one to be a show stopper.
I do wish he had talked a little more about the Patriot act. as Kerry flat
out lied on that one.
Now on Kerry....
I though he did about as good as the first one...almost.
He did open up about 25% on some insight into some of what he would/might do,
but the other 75% sounded like a broken record.
There were 2 maybe 3 questions that was asked to Kerry, and he just went
out into left field, and never came back to make any connection. He really
didn't look quite as focused, and did look too rehearsed.
ResearchMonkey
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HaHa
This is just plain funny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1006413&mesg_id=1006413
Skewing every poll they can; the MSNBC poll had kerry winning at 91% 20-mjinutes after the debate, that has been declining as real people add thier numbers.
I am amazed at the basic corrupted instincts that these people have brought themselves to believe in. They will have a rude awakin' come November (unless all the voter fraud schemes werk)
GWB's honorable intentions ring clear most of the time, you can see that he has beliefs and convictions.
This is just plain funny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1006413&mesg_id=1006413
Skewing every poll they can; the MSNBC poll had kerry winning at 91% 20-mjinutes after the debate, that has been declining as real people add thier numbers.
I am amazed at the basic corrupted instincts that these people have brought themselves to believe in. They will have a rude awakin' come November (unless all the voter fraud schemes werk)
GWB's honorable intentions ring clear most of the time, you can see that he has beliefs and convictions.
ResearchMonkey
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'specially when people delete their cookies or relogin on dial-up so they can vote more then once.
"Vote well and vote often" -spoken at Democratic rally's at grave yards all over the country again this year.
"Vote well and vote often" -spoken at Democratic rally's at grave yards all over the country again this year.
Angry Again
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Gonz said:
I have watched all debates on CSPAN2. There is no commentary before the debate and an actual 2 minute silence before it. Gives one a chance to discard the talking heads and collect ones serenity to have an open mind and begin to listen clearly. I don't listen to post debate chatter on cable news but instead check the facts of what was said on the internet. Check the facts yourself against the rhetoric these are just the ones that had some invalid or shadowed nature. For more detailed Claim vs. Fact go here.
The debate in its entirety (real player) can be found at this link
A transcript can be found here
Bush tried to be intimidating and ended up looking like he was cornered and agitated. He was impatient in his turn to reply to the issues. His demeanor was disgusting and cocky. Some say Kerry was more aggressive than they would like, I say he needs to be more aggressive (but then again I would). I again saw Bush, a puppet of big business and religious right radicals, spewing forth canned answers that cater to the rich, corporate greed, insurance money, logging companies, oil barons, politically ignorant and "patriotic" huddling and scared masses. Bush's rich boy frustration at being called out on his failed policies and lies only indicated to me someone unfit to lead our country as a civilized and unprejudiced commander. His twitching, blinking and cocky bully walk was disturbing at least.
Kerry was ever patient, stewardly and poised in his manner. He talked to the people that asked the questions, even replying to them by name some time later and also to the President himself. Granted there was some canned rhetoric from Kerry, but his manner illustrated someone in complete control of his faculties who has a firm grasp on the issues at hand and has the willingness to stand toe to toe with Bush and hash it out. Kerry brought up valid references to Bush's own words 4 years ago and Bush's failure to live up to is promises. I see courage and conviction in Kerry. It is hard not to imagine him as a President that would be respected by many.
He also brought up a frightening quote that is being brought into reality: "A few years ago when he came to office, the president said -- these are his words -- "What we need are some good conservative judges on the courts." This one he has started to accomplish. If reelected he will put backward facing radical conservative judges in place of retiring judges who have no respect for civil rights. This cannot be allowed kids.
Bush can spew all the patriotic slogans and beat his chest all he wants. His record shows an irresponsible cabinet that has and will only continue to bring America down in every conceivable measure.
I now feel that regardless of who is elected there will be a draft. I can see it and the numbers add up for the mill to grind.
They both talked of Iran & North Korea. We are overextended already in the current theatres of occupation and suppression. How does anyone think we can handle the need for additional troops not only in Iraq, but in other parts of the world?
When asked what mistakes he has made Bush mentioned the 3 big ones and tried to discredit them instead of saying they were actual mistakes.
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"That's really what you're -- when they ask about the mistakes, that's what they're talking about. They're trying to say, "Did you make a mistake going into Iraq?" And the answer is, "Absolutely not." It was the right decision.
The Duelfer report confirmed that decision today, because what Saddam Hussein was doing was trying to get rid of sanctions so he could reconstitute a weapons program. And the biggest threat facing America is terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.
We knew he hated us. We knew he'd been -- invaded other countries. We knew he tortured his own people.
On the tax cut, it's a big decision. I did the right decision. Our recession was one of the shallowest in modern history.
Now, you asked what mistakes. I made some mistakes in appointing people, but I'm not going to name them. I don't want to hurt their feelings on national TV."
The Duelfer report proved that we should not have went to war with Iraq and the President and his cabinet lied about WMD. Bush actually laid out 3 reasons why he has failed our people.
This Debate was supposed to be about domestic issues. Since the War is eating (no devouring) our federal budget I guess bringing it into the debate last night was permissible. It allowed less talk about the important issues here and more rhetoric on who is the tougher guy. The problem with saying "under wartime conditions. I want Bush in office!" is that Bush started this war under false pretenses, so the Duelfer report proves. So you are saying you would support Bush as a wartime president, even though 1. He started a personal war that has hurt our standing in the international community, 2. It is eating our federal budget to the point of fiscal deterioration worse than any other war or president’s term has ever done, 3. Deceptions, failures and a continuous act of covering up this treacherous leadership are occurring, 4. Even the Presidents cabinet is starting to admit the corruption and deceit, 5. This same personal war has increased the number of angry Muslims willing to join these terrorist armies, 6. The President has no concept of how his actions perpetuate this cycle of hate. You can honestly say that you support this bumbling puppet? As soon as the towers fell we had the sympathy of the entire world. We had a plan to get Osama Bin Laden. We had the backing in this one effort. We now have no honor, no Osama and no sympathy for our plight. These FACTS are due to the BUSH administration and their white hat cowboy policy.
As with the situation in Iraq, President Bush continues to ignore reality on jobs and the economy here at home. The Labor Department reported today that only 96,000 new jobs were created in September – far less than expected and well below what is necessary to keep up with population changes and to erase years of job losses. The employed share of the population actually declined for the second month in a row as many Americans, disenchanted with the weak labor market, gave up looking for jobs altogether. The unemployment rate remained unchanged at 5.4 percent in September, well above the 4.2 percent unemployment rate when Bush took office in 2001. Yet the president tells us this represents "progress."
The president's economic priorities have not worked: tax cuts for the wealthy have not produced real opportunities for the middle class. President Bush sold his trillions of dollars in tax cuts geared towards the top 2 percent of earners as a way to create jobs and increase wages for middle class workers. The results are undeniable: hundreds of thousands of lost jobs, flat wages, reduced government revenues, and soaring budget deficits.
More of the same on the economy will only make matters worse. The president and his conservative allies argue that permanently extending his tax cuts and cutting others will lead us towards economic paradise. With a $5 trillion projected budget deficit and continued job and wage stagnation, the economy can not take much more of conservatives' economic wisdom.
Nothing will change unless the president first admits economic problems exist and then corrects his policies to fit reality. The president's "optimism" on the economy won't create more jobs, raise wages, or erase massive budget deficits. He's already thrown all fiscal caution to the wind by promoting job creation through massive tax cuts for the wealthy. It has not worked. The president must face reality, restore fiscal responsibility, and pursue economic policies geared to the middle class.
Anyone that cannot see this situation in a clear light has some type of moral blinder on. The reality of the administrations time in office is that there should be criminal charges brought against a great many of them for fraud and embezzlement. A swagger and a southern drawl have no impact on fact. It is embarrassing that we have citizens that can be so delusional as to even consider voting for Bush.
I feel again that Kerry was victorious. It is not really that hard against Bush but he also has to beat the media spinners. That is the hard part.
I also have seen this article and pictures that lead me to believe Bush is not alone on stage. He has Karl Rove in his ear to tell him what to parrot. http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/debate_video/sept29/5.html]Here is a portion of the first debate[/url]. It shows Bush talking to himself saying “Let me finish”. This statement, the picture of the device under his coat and an additional viewing of the debate leads me to believe Bush definitely was wired. Again I will call him a puppet. Nice website - http://www.isbushwired.com/
Thanks
Angry Again
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ResearchMonkey said:
He said exactly this
"GIBSON: Senator Kerry, the next question will be for you, and it comes from James Varner, who I believe is in this section.
Mr. Varner? You need a microphone.
VARNER: Thank you.
Senator Kerry, would you be willing to look directly into the camera and, using simple and unequivocal language, give the American people your solemn pledge not to sign any legislation that will increase the tax burden on families earning less than $200,000 a year during your first term?
KERRY: Absolutely. Yes. Right into the camera. Yes. I am not going to raise taxes.
"
Transcriptof debate
That is why they make transcripts to prove what people said. If you reference them you would be able to back it up. You are stating falsehoods here and asking questions answered directly by Mr. Kerry in the debate.
Angry Again
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Gonz said:
That is what the GOP did in 2000, but they actually got their guy in because of it.
Inkara1
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Why would a military that exceeded its enlistment goals last year need a draft? I will look directly in the camera, and state in simple and unequivocal langage that IT IS NOTHING BUT A SCARE TACTIC. Keep in mind which party the representative and senator that introduced these bills belong to.Angry Again said:
Now, shall we talk about his sort-of no-tax pledge? Even if we accept the excuse that a change in situations prompts a change in his stance, it's laughable to believe that he will not raise taxes during his first term. This guy has a "waffler" reputation for a reason, and it's just not plausible to believe he would make an exception for this. Besides, his new spending exceeds the amount that would be brought in by rolling back takes on the "rich" to Clinton-era levels. Where would the extra money come from?
I disagree. This is a valid question, and raising taxes vs. rolling back cuts vs. creating new fees (read taxes) is a game which has been played over and over again by politicians everywhere. The statement Kerry was asked to give is not the statement Kerry actually gave. This does merit clarification.Angry Again said:
Inkara1
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It's good to see I'm not the only one who noticed Kerry did a masterful job of acting out all the components required to make the pledge to the asker's satisfaction without piecing the components together and actually doing what he was asked to do. That's why I refer to it as a "sort-of no-tax pledge."Leslie said:
Angry Again
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Draft and taxes that is all you can defend?
This is laughable.
This is laughable.
This is getting tiresome. I've got several volumes of writings in these forums & do not intend to relive each & every one for you. Spend the next 6 hours or so, reading the last 18-24 months worth of threads...and don't bring them all back up.
I have nothing in which I think needs defending.
I have nothing in which I think needs defending.
Angry Again
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LOL