Obama's new buzzwords: "Jobs saved or created"

jimpeel

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* JUNE 10, 2009

The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims
The Obama Numbers Are Pure Fiction.

Tony Fratto is envious.

Mr. Fratto was a colleague of mine in the Bush administration, and as a senior member of the White House communications shop, he knows just how difficult it can be to deal with a press corps skeptical about presidential economic claims. It now appears, however, that Mr. Fratto's problem was that he simply lacked the magic words -- jobs "saved or created."

"Saved or created" has become the signature phrase for Barack Obama as he describes what his stimulus is doing for American jobs. His latest invocation came yesterday, when the president declared that the stimulus had already saved or created at least 150,000 American jobs -- and announced he was ramping up some of the stimulus spending so he could "save or create" an additional 600,000 jobs this summer. These numbers come in the context of an earlier Obama promise that his recovery plan will "save or create three to four million jobs over the next two years."

Mr. Fratto sees a double standard at play. "We would never have used a formula like 'save or create,'" he tells me. "To begin with, the number is pure fiction -- the administration has no way to measure how many jobs are actually being 'saved.' And if we had tried to use something this flimsy, the press would never have let us get away with it."

Of course, the inability to measure Mr. Obama's jobs formula is part of its attraction. Never mind that no one -- not the Labor Department, not the Treasury, not the Bureau of Labor Statistics -- actually measures "jobs saved." As the New York Times delicately reports, Mr. Obama's jobs claims are "based on macroeconomic estimates, not an actual counting of jobs." Nice work if you can get away with it.


And get away with it he has. However dubious it may be as an economic measure, as a political formula "save or create" allows the president to invoke numbers that convey an illusion of precision. Harvard economist and former Bush economic adviser Greg Mankiw calls it a "non-measurable metric." And on his blog, he acknowledges the political attraction.

"The expression 'create or save,' which has been used regularly by the President and his economic team, is an act of political genius," writes Mr. Mankiw. "You can measure how many jobs are created between two points in time. But there is no way to measure how many jobs are saved. Even if things get much, much worse, the President can say that there would have been 4 million fewer jobs without the stimulus."

Mr. Obama's comments yesterday are a perfect illustration of just such a claim. In the months since Congress approved the stimulus, our economy has lost nearly 1.6 million jobs and unemployment has hit 9.4%. Invoke the magic words, however, and -- presto! -- you have the president claiming he has "saved or created" 150,000 jobs. It all makes for a much nicer spin, and helps you forget this is the same team that only a few months ago promised us that passing the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising over 8%.

It's not only former Bush staffers such as Messrs. Fratto and Mankiw who have noted the political convenience here. During a March hearing of the Senate Finance Committee, Chairman Max Baucus challenged Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on the formula.

"You created a situation where you cannot be wrong," said the Montana Democrat. "If the economy loses two million jobs over the next few years, you can say yes, but it would've lost 5.5 million jobs. If we create a million jobs, you can say, well, it would have lost 2.5 million jobs. You've given yourself complete leverage where you cannot be wrong, because you can take any scenario and make yourself look correct."

Now, something's wrong when the president invokes a formula that makes it impossible for him to be wrong and it goes largely unchallenged. It's true that almost any government spending will create some jobs and save others. But as Milton Friedman once pointed out, that doesn't tell you much: The government, after all, can create jobs by hiring people to dig holes and fill them in.

If the "saved or created" formula looks brilliant, it's only because Mr. Obama and his team are not being called on their claims. And don't expect much to change. So long as the news continues to repeat the administration's line that the stimulus has already "saved or created" 150,000 jobs over a time period when the U.S. economy suffered an overall job loss 10 times that number, the White House would be insane to give up a formula that allows them to spin job losses into jobs saved.

"You would think that any self-respecting White House press corps would show some of the same skepticism toward President Obama's jobs claims that they did toward President Bush's tax cuts," says Mr. Fratto. "But I'm still waiting."

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Tuesday, June 9, 2009
WASHINGTON NEWS
Media Skeptical Of Obama Stimulus Claims

President Obama's comments Monday in support of his economic stimulus package generated largely skeptical coverage from the news media, which cast doubt on the new White House forecasts and cast the President as facing growing political dangers on economic and fiscal issues. The CBS Evening News, which led with the story, was the only network newscast to mention the President's remarks: "It's been nearly four months since...Obama signed that $787 billion stimulus into law," said CBS, and "the economy is continuing to hemorrhage jobs." The AP says that Obama was "scrambling" yesterday to calm Americans unnerved by unemployment rates still persistently rising nearly four months after he signed the biggest economic stimulus in history." The Washington Post says that "the list of spending plans detailed...amounted to little more than a restatement of plans already underway for the coming months, without any explanation of what steps, if any, the White House would take to accelerate the pace of spending." The Wall Street Journal also reports that "the White House offered no new details Monday on how it would speed up spending from the $787 billion stimulus package, and in many ways the administration is limited by the gradual pace set out in the law passed earlier this year."

The AP reports, "For the first time, the administration admitted the economic forecasts it used to sell the stimulus were overly optimistic." Vice President Joe Biden's "top economic adviser," Jared Bernstein, said, "At the time, our forecast seemed reasonable." The Politico notes that "Republicans say the 'save or create' metric for jobs is meaningless, since it's impossible to prove or disprove." The Washington Post reports that the Administration's "push to spin the package was accompanied by a classic...misstatement" by Vice President Biden, who said "that a big chunk of the money was geared toward 'make-work projects.'"

The Los Angeles Times reports that Obama "billed" the stimulus "as an adrenaline jolt," but the economy is "still sputtering." More positive is the report in the New York Times, which describes Obama as a President "now in the position of trying to convince Americans that...his signature legislative achievement thus far...is working, even as the job losses mount." Also positive is the report on AFP, which says "the 10 new projects announced included improvements on 98 airports and over 1,500 highways, federal funding for 135,000 education jobs and maintenance work at 359 military bases and other facilities."

51% Disapprove Of Obama's Handling Of Spending The Wall Street Journal reports that "a Gallup poll released Monday showed for the first time that a majority, 51%, disapprove of Mr. Obama's handling of federal spending." Meanwhile, "support for his handling of the economy overall has slipped, according to Gallup, with 55% approving and 42% disapproving, as opposition among Republicans has hardened." The Washington Times notes, however, that Obama "remains more popular than either of his two immediate predecessors at this point in his presidency, with a 67 percent overall approval rating."
 
hate to break it to ya jim, but he's been using that phrase since around feb, or march.

he knows those numbers can be anything he wants um to be.
 
"support for his handling of the economy overall has slipped, according to Gallup, with 55% approving and 42% disapproving, as opposition among Republicans has hardened." The Washington Times notes, however, that Obama "remains more popular than either of his two immediate predecessors at this point in his presidency, with a 67 percent overall approval rating."

Pretty solid.
 
"Media Skeptical Of Obama Stimulus Claims"

now how is that possible? i thought obama controlled the media, or was at least its darling!

how do we resolve this one???
 
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.


Pick one. Makes no difference which.

But remember, that knife cuts both ways. If you accept that one person's statistics may be lies, you have to acknowledge that your own may be as well.
 
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.


Pick one. Makes no difference which.

But remember, that knife cuts both ways. If you accept that one person's statistics may be lies, you have to acknowledge that your own may be as well.

*agrees*

Also, STFU already about all y'all sources & blogs & shit. Who cares. It's a discussion forum.
 
If you accept that one person's statistics may be lies, you have to acknowledge that your own may be as well.

yeah, ya know, i really wish it did cut both ways, but for some, there's only one way. it's like going to see the village shaman, who is going to interpret any number of signs in exactly the way they already think shit is going on.

lump on your head? evil spirits.
itchy dong? evil spirits.
dog peed on your hut? evil spirits.
earlobe stretching failed? evil spirits.
village well runs dry?
village elders look at you funny? evil spirits.
two-yolked eggs? evil spirits.
choked on chicken bone? evil spirits.

media saying yay? evil bad bad obama done it.
media saying nay? evil bad bad obama done it.
numbers seem nice? evil bad bad obama done it.
numbers seem naughty? evil bad bad obama done it.
agitated iranians? evil bad bad obama done it.
stuck butt plug? evil bad bad obama done it.
found a hair on your lollypop? evil bad bad obama done it.
granddaughter shows up pregnant? evil bad bad obama done it.
 
*agrees*

Also, STFU already about all y'all sources & blogs & shit. Who cares. It's a discussion forum.

Which always descends into "Oh, yeah? Prove it!"

May as well post the proof at the front end of the post.

What do you want?

"Hi, everyone. How was your day?"

"Oh, fine. How was yours?"

"About the same. Went to the mall and bought some new underwear."

"I've gotta do that too. Mine are getting a bit old."

"Well, talk tomorrow. Bye."

"Bye. Love you."

"Love you too."
 
Which always descends into "Oh, yeah? Prove it!"

May as well post the proof at the front end of the post.

Post the link to it. Those articles are sometimes so long that I doubt anyone ever reads them.

What do you want?

"Hi, everyone. How was your day?"

"Oh, fine. How was yours?"

"About the same. Went to the mall and bought some new underwear."

"I've gotta do that too. Mine are getting a bit old."

"Well, talk tomorrow. Bye."

"Bye. Love you."

"Love you too."

Yeah, that would be nice. I don't want trw forum to become like that, but I just wish more people who post in here would also post in the other forums so we can get to know them, it would even make (as a consequence) TRW a better place to talk.
 
I never said anything about not posting a source, Jim. Just quit bickering over the validity of them already. That goes for you too, Spike. Who the fuck cares if it comes from a blog or a news site or a op ed piece? Seriously? It's not university. It's a bulletin board. Gah.
 
Just as long as you post the source so we can't be called for plagerism/copyright violation.
 
So just how many stimulus jobs have been created or saved so far?

The figure remains elusive, but Congress provided one of the first peeks this week by reporting that stimulus has funded 21,000 highway and transit jobs as of May 31.

The number, one of the first counts of actual stimulus-based employment, is based on state reports to the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

Each $92,000 of stimulus funds spent translates into one job, according to the White House formula.


If the 0bama spinmeisters are going to create a measure called "jobs saved" then in all fairness, they should create another called "jobs lost" by this social-engineering administration and the 'rat congress.

Fifteen states have depleted their unemployment insurance funds so far, forcing them to borrow from the U.S. Treasury. A record 30 of the country's 50 states are expected to have to borrow up to $17 billion by next year, said Rick McHugh of the National Employment Law Project, a nonpartisan advocacy group.
 
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