oh well.. the days of flag waving are toast.

unclehobart

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Display of U.S. Flag Barred After Unfurling on Statue
By BERNARD WEINRAUB


CORPS HEADQUARTERS, in northern Kuwait, April 10 — Officers whooped and hollered in the Army's command center on Wednesday as they watched the televised scene of a United States marine draping an American flag over the face of a statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad.

Then there were second thoughts.

Today, the Army, seeking to demonstrate that its troops in Iraq are liberators and not conquerors, barred any display of the American flag on vehicles, buildings, statues and command posts.

The order, which effectively halts the display of the flag anywhere in Iraq except the United States Embassy, said that flying the flag on buildings in Iraq would only reinforce the anti-American message that the military was "here to oppress the Iraqis."
In issuing the order today, the military tacitly acknowledged that it was deeply concerned about the perception, among Arabs and others, that American soldiers and marines in Iraq were an occupation force that would rule the nation for years. Displaying the flag would reinforce that image, officers said.

"It's an issue of perception," Gen. William S. Wallace, the V Corps commander, told his staff this morning. "It's an issue of decorum."

At the start of the war, the Coalition Forces Land Component Command at Camp Doha, near Kuwait City, ordered soldiers, marines and Air Force personnel not to display the American flag on vehicles or buildings. That order was loosely followed until Wednesday, when the marine briefly unfurled the flag on the face of the statue. The command center, made up mostly of midlevel and senior officers, seemed to burst into shouts and applause. Moments later, the marine removed the flag, apparently on orders from a superior.

Today, Brig. Gen. Daniel A. Hahn, the V Corps chief of staff, said it was natural for American soldiers to carry the flag and place it at various sites in Iraq.

"It's a source of great pride," he said."It's seen as like a gift to Iraq."

But General Hahn added that sensitivity to Iraqi pride and nationalism was foremost in the minds of the American military, as the United States helps Iraq reshape its government.

"We don't want to flaunt our power," he said.

General Wallace sent the message to Army commanders today after telling his officers that the "open display" of American flags in Iraq was "not appropriate."

"The Iraqi people should know that we're not here to occupy this country," he said.

The order sent out to the Army officers in Iraq and Kuwait said: "U.S.-coalition forces continue operations to remove/disarm the Saddam regime and liberate Iraq. Displaying the American flag counters the perception that we are liberators and allows enemy and other bad actors to use the images of our flags prominently displayed to reinforce their message that the U.S. is here to oppress the Iraqis."

"The pride and patriotism of V Corps soldiers is beyond question and the motivation to display our flag is understandable," the message continued. "In this environment the display of our flag is not helpful."

I wanted to attach this into the other thread where we were already talking about the flags, but I couldn't find it in a timely fashion.
 
Well if seeing a nation freed from bondage doesn't satisfy them then maybe this will be a victory in their eyes. Anyway, it won't matter much since we'll be out of there in no time.:blank:
 
its only a ship or two, some planes and some feild hospitals, as far as i know the british have been given control of the southern region of iraq and basra in particular.

looks like the museums and their artefacts are being looted and destroyed as well, which is really sad. looting reported in mosul as well, i hope that some basic law and order can be brought in soon.
 
ris said:
looks like the museums and their artefacts are being looted and destroyed as well, which is really sad

Aw, man. That sucks... Screw the bank, they need to protect the museums. :)
 
More PC crap. We don't want to be seen as conquerors. :rolleyes: The more that see it the more that will step aside & quit pretending they can kick our ass.

Goods can be replaced. Protect the historically relevent.
 
Gonz said:
More PC crap. We don't want to be seen as conquerors.
I have mixed feelings about that, Gonz. On the one hand, I see your point, on the other hand, do we want to appear like Russia after WWII? Whether or not that's our intent, that's how much of the world would perceive it. Perhaps not so much PC as diplomatic.
 
I'm not suggesting we hoist the Stars & Stripes above the capitol or anything. These soldiers worked hard for the USA & have earned the privilige to fly their flag high.
 
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