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Removing Crosses from ... Chapels?



A columnist for the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that a hospital in that Minneapolis city has removed the cross from its onsite chapel lest it offend any non-Christians who amble into the room.

Regions Hospital has removed the cross from its chapel and placed it in the adjacent chaplain's office so no one will see it. Hospital spokesman Vince Rivard says they did it because the hospital doesn’t have a “religious affiliation” and doesn’t want to show favoritism.

Apparently, he says, it’s a growing trend in the hospital industry.


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So now even churches and chapels can't display crosses because someone might get offended.

[SnP adding a dozen more blocks to the hermit retreat] This is ridiculous. Are we so afraid of offending the crybabies that we stoop to this? If so, I got a list about a mile long of things that need to go away because they offend me.[/SnP adding blocks]

I think we better take a picture, folks. The longest running democracy in the history of the world is just about done, because it wouldn't choose common sense over nitpicking semantics-powered assholes who are destroying it in the name of, somehow, upholding it. Confused yet? I ain't. I got the whole thing figured out. And it ends up with my retreat in the woods. Trespassers will be shot on sight. Then I won't have to worry about offending them...you can't offend the dead. And we all know that as long as you don't offend somebody, anything you wanna do is A-OK, right?
 
In this instance, I'd tend to be a little more worried about outraged over nothing at all gun freaks than by 'offended people'.

Seems to me that the powers that be have done this voluntarily, realizing that everyone who goes to a chapel for quiet private time doesn't find the cross to be a soothing or appropriate symbol. A chapel can become quite garish quite quickly if we're gonna be putting in the symbols for each and every recognized religion, no? and as it's a room in a non-partisan (presumably private yet still receiving some sort of government funding?) building, this makes sense to me.

Frankly, I find the crosses with Jebus stuck to em quite horrific, something like the statues with the bleeding hands and feet. Macabre, even. Celebrating and embracing an execution? :eek6:
 
Celebrating and embracing an execution?
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Obviously you have no idea what the meaning of the cross is then if this is the way your viewing it. Christ died on the cross for our sins. Our celebration is the very fact that Christ died for our sins and gave us a way to salvation. The event itself, his body being crucified, is not celebrated. The meaning it. That is, salvation.
 
Leslie said:
In this instance, I'd tend to be a little more worried about outraged over nothing at all gun freaks than by 'offended people'.

Seems to me that the powers that be have done this voluntarily, realizing that everyone who goes to a chapel for quiet private time doesn't find the cross to be a soothing or appropriate symbol. A chapel can become quite garish quite quickly if we're gonna be putting in the symbols for each and every recognized religion, no? and as it's a room in a non-partisan (presumably private yet still receiving some sort of government funding?) building, this makes sense to me.

Frankly, I find the crosses with Jebus stuck to em quite horrific, something like the statues with the bleeding hands and feet. Macabre, even. Celebrating and embracing an execution? :eek6:
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You really don't have a clue, do you?

If that is truly what you think when you see a cross, I weep for you.

I am not a gun freak; I am a responsible gun owner who is on the verge of saying "to hell with 'society' these days." Besides, as I said, as long as I don't offend anyone, that's all that seems to matter.

If one walks into a chapel, one should reasonably expect to see a cross. No one made one walk in the chapel; hence, one can control their exposure to the horrific sight by simply steering one's self in another direction. Therefore, to insist that they be removed is opening the door to anyone to have anything removed. It's an extension of the ludicrous "I burned my tongue on coffee, so I'll sue because you didn't warn me coffee is hot" bullshit. And it seems to me that this "logic" is prevailing more and more every day.

Look, I personally don't like seeing gay porn. So I steer myself away from places that are likely to display gay porn. I have no problem with the place displaying it; but I don't have to see it, so I stay away. I ain't wild about screeching children when I eat in a restaurant, so I stay out of Chuck E. Cheese. Why can't that simple tolerence be applied to a cross in a chapel? No, no one forces you to go in there. I have been in numerous hospitals. When I went into the chapels, I did so voluntarily and with full expectation of what I might or might not find in there. I don't go into the chapel every time I go to a hospital. But if I choose to go, I should be able to go and find what is supposed to be there - religious icons and the like included. Just as you have the expectation and the right to see pictures of vegetables if you go to a produce stand.

It's so simple - if you don't want the exposure, don't go to the place. Why is that so complicated?
 
in "this instance", what the room is there for, is for ANYONE AND EVERYONE to go and have some personal time with their god, or themselves. Were this a standalone church I'd feel differently, but it's not. It's a quiet room in a hospital. Methinks you've picked the wrong thing to be offended about here.

And who insisted? This is a voluntary act by the hospital admin. :shrug:
You tellin them how to run their business? I find it more of a considerate act myself.
 
Leslie said:
in "this instance", what it's there for, is for EVERYONE to go and have some personal time with their god, or themselves. Were this a standalone church I'd feel differently, but it's not. It's a quiet room in a hospital. Methinks you've picked the wrong thing to be offended about here.
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I beg to differ. The sign on the door does not say "Quiet room for spiritual reflection"; it says "Chapel". It is my understanding that these rooms are funded by local religious groups. They are staffed by ministers of different denominations, who volunteer their time to help people. As such, they should reflect their purpose. Should a civic group(s) decide to organize and provide such a service for those with differing beliefs, I'm all for it and absolutely support the notion of no religious paraphernalia promoted. But that ain't the case.

Methinks you have your information out of whack. My brother-in-law is a minister, who helps fund just such a service in a local hospital.

Nice try, but this time, at least from a local perspective, you're wrong. Want a cross-free room for quiet reflection? Fund one. Otherwise, use what others have provided without bitching or go elsewhere for your "reflection time".

Just my thoughts on it; feel free to "crucify" me for them if you like all that horrific imagery.
 
Sheesh, if I'm in hospital, I walk past the door marked "Chapel" not through it. I would probably have appreciated it if the had another "quiet room" though, with no connections to either religions.

A candy machine would be nice tho.
 
How about leaving the cross in the waiting room ... but making it a condom and candy dispenser? ... how about a crucified christ combo coatrack and PS2? Nothing says quiet room solace quite like a jesus entertainment center.
 
Starya said:
Sheesh, if I'm in hospital, I walk past the door marked "Chapel" not through it. I would probably have appreciated it if the had another "quiet room" though, with no connections to either religions.
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Good point. You go to a chapel to "pray" IMO. Since I'm not going to pray I don't go to the chapel. If it's a denominational chapel, it should certainly have the symbolism associated with that denomination (the main chapel at Cedars Sinai in LA has both the cross and the Star of David, for instance). If it's an expicitly non-denominational chapel then I could see where you might not have any. :shrug:

I'd say it's up to the people who support the chapel to decide what symbolism (if any) should be contained therein. S&P is right about one thing for certain though, this shit has gone entirely too far.
 
unclehobart said:
How about leaving the cross in the waiting room ... but making it a condom and candy dispenser? ... how about a crucified christ combo coatrack and PS2? Nothing says quiet room solace quite like a jesus entertainment center.
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We had a piece of art-work a few years back that stirred a bit of controversy... it was the Virgin Mary in a Condom.

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Hmmm, so the church should stay out of the govt. But the govt should butt their nose into the church. It is called a chapel for a reason. If they want a seperate room ask for one and support it.
 
unclehobart said:
How about leaving the cross in the waiting room ... but making it a condom and candy dispenser? ... how about a crucified christ combo coatrack and PS2? Nothing says quiet room solace quite like a jesus entertainment center.
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Ooh! I got it! Thanks for the business idea!

I'll make a cross with an Xbox on one side, a PS2 on the other, and the words "What would Jesus Do?" in the middle! :D
 
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