Question for Inkara1

Gonz

Gonz

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Inky, you're a journalism major correct? What do they teach these days about real journalism? Watching the sniper crap (the last straw) makes me wonder if the first rule of news still holds true; "VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY".

Greta van Susterneineineineineinein on Fox, Thurs night-"Here we have a neighbor of John Muhammed. Hello xxxx, so you're his neighbor?

Mr xxxx:"I live on the next block"

That should have ended the interview. She went on for almost 5 more minutes with somebody who never met, seldomly saw & has no clue as to the identity of JA Williams.

Fri Morn, GMA (ABC)-

exclusice interview with JA Williams (Mohammed)'s aunt, the one who raised him.

blah blah blah, At the end she said she WAS NOT the one who raised him. In fact, she married into the family not long before he moved on as an adult. She, in fact, barely knew the man.



What the fuck? Are these producers fired as of now? Why are we watching media report on nothing? How many of you were glued to your TV sets, watching a tree trunk get driven in a U-Haul to the airport & why?

Inky, please tell me it's TV only & they're still teaching JOURNALISM.

Report the facts, making sure they are correct before running a story.

News is NOT for ratings but for important & educational information.
 
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Ashleigh Banfield is one that really pisses me off. I swear she doesn't even have an education. She's an Idiot! Her comments and ideas are like that of a fucking three year old. I've been thinking about this recently. The quality of our media personal has dropped considerably. This due in part i think to the fact that all the news networks are on 24/7 now. But where do they get these people and why the fuck won't they give us the real news? Why must they make their own news? I know the news is there, important things are actually happening in the world.
 
When I took a short class having some related things about journalism, I found that most people who make it onto news shows on TV originally started out with a passion for journalism, but later turned to crap because news reporting became a chore... with having to report stuff happening all around the world and having to do it sometimes three or four times a day, saying the same stuff over and over again. I think news shows should be reduced to only one hour in the morning and one hour at night for local stations, and news channels should hire people who actually desire to run around the world and report stuff maybe 3 or 4 people in the entire country care about, that way maybe they'll find and say something interesting instead of stuff like this
 
News is NOT for ratings but for important & educational information.
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it might have started that way, but it looks like that all the news is good for now is to sell papers and commercial time :mad2:

Read the Mission Earth series of books, by Hubbard. Then you'll understand.
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My favorite Prof :D
I have the whole 10 volume set in hardcover... along with "battlefield Earth" :headbang:
 
Yes, journalism majors are taught what is news and what isn't, and how to tell the difference. I've taken a media law and media ethics course, and am currently in the middle of an "investigating media issues" course (we've looked at TV violence and paparazzi/hidden camera type things, such as the Food Lion story on ABC's PrimeTime Live).

That said, one quickly learns that almost all journalistic outlets are actually for-profit businesses. News is supposed to be for the public benefit and not for profit... but the realities of a capitalistic society soon set in, and if the "public benefit" paper can't pay the rent, defaults on the loan to buy the press, can't pay its staff (which needs the money to support hungry mouths at home and pay the rent), etc., then that paper is soon out of business.
 
It's good to know they at least teach the principles. I understand capitalism, but c'mon, 24 hours of "experts" guessing at some fools identity when in reality they know as little about the murderer as Joe Schmoe, the shoe-shine guy at the mall.

Are you all properly pissed students with a hard-on to get out there & show the world that journalism still exists or is everyone trying to follow Paula Zahn?
 
Gonz said:
I understand capitalism
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Let me get this straight... journalism standards have been falling for the past.. let's say fifty years. Over that same period, America has become more and more socialistic. Why is capitalism still being blamed for everything when we live in a welfare state??

It sounds like a "the-devil-made-me-do-it" sort of argument, doesn't it? "I really wanted to report the news objectively, but someone waved a bunch of money in my face and I just couldn't resist."

The reason why no one reports the news objectively is because no one believes in an objective reality. They went to college thinking, "I want to grow up and be a reporter and report the news and keep the people informed so that they can know what's going on and make informed decisions and vote to protect their freedom, etc." Then they got to college, and their professors introduced them to Immanuel Kant, and explained to them what a bunch of idiots they are for thinking that there's really a such as reality-- there's only people's perceptions of reality, and of course, one is just as good as another, so just go out there and report whatever the hell your socialistic prejudices tell you is the truth, or sell out and report whatever you think the public wants to hear so you can get rich... Whatever you do, though, don't fall in with those evil bastards who think that there's an objective reality.
 
It was the sinking of the USS Maine in 1898 that was the basis for the origins of yellow journalism. Objective reporting died that day in lieu of sensationalism.
 
I'm sorry, but I want to go on about this a little more...

If the fact that there are people out there willing to pay lots of money for bad reporting is what causes bad reporting, then why aren't all women (or men, for that matter) prostitutes? Why aren't we all selling drugs on the street corner? Why aren't we posing for internet porn sites? There's money to be made out there folks, and we're just sitting on our duffs, adhering to some outmoded standards of morality when we could be rolling in dough like Connie Chung. :rolleyes:
 
unclehobart said:
It was the sinking of the USS Maine in 1898 that was the basis for the origins of yellow journalism. Objective reporting died that day in lieu of sensationalism.
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I started to say 100 years, but I didn't think anyone would buy it.
 
Ardsgaine said:
I'm sorry, but I want to go on about this a little more...

If the fact that there are people out there willing to pay lots of money for bad reporting is what causes bad reporting, then why aren't all women (or men, for that matter) prostitutes? Why aren't we all selling drugs on the street corner? Why aren't we posing for internet porn sites? There's money to be made out there folks, and we're just sitting on our duffs, adhering to some outmoded standards of morality when we could be rolling in dough like Connie Chung. :rolleyes:
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If we all did it, it wouldnt pay anything. Theres that certain fine line of rarity that keeps the prices high. Only 1% of the population are worthy of being photographed naked. Drugs are sold on the street corner. Its just the thought of going to jail for 20 years or a rival gang that would kill you to protect the turf that prevents most from doing it.
 
The rank-and-file reporters tend to care about getting the real story and informing the public. But their stories can easily be killed by the editors... who are simply following orders from the publisher. For example, a professor I had here at Fresno State used to work for the Omaha World-Herald, and was at one time doing a story that involved some misdemeanors committed by members of the University of Nebraska football team. Tom Osborne (the coach at the time) called the editor and nearly got the story killed completely. When it finally did come out--after some delay--the incriminating information on the players was buried so deep no one noticed it. Part of why is because in Nebraska, you don't fuck with the Cornhuskers football team, or else your pocketbook might take a lot of punishment (lost ad revenue). In another dark moment for journalism, the San Jose Mercury News once actually ran a retraction and apology for a local area dealership, which was one of the paper's biggest advertisers, after running a story that made the dealer look bad.
 
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gonz, i agree. theres one problem tho. as my media appreciation class said, "its all about the ratings these days". thats all they care about. if you read Michael Parenti's Inventing Reality it says there is a bias and that facts are supprsed, or that again the ratings are of the upmost importance(from the televisions POV). so sad that it should be objective and is more subjective.
 
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