Some people are SICK

Nixy

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This is kinda old but I just found out that sentencing had occured.

Heart Lake is the school I attended, my brother was in grade 9 at this school the year this happened. Erik was in my brother's 2nd period class that day...it's just freaky...not only the story but the face without remorse...the pic was taken the day it happened...when Justin was taken into custody...

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Kinda reminds me of the case the movie River's Edge was based loosely upon.

Chilling. That is one screwed up young man. Good thing he's off the streets, people are a lot safer with him locked up at least.

Man, what the victim's family has been through too...unfathomable.
 
SouthernN'Proud said:
Kinda reminds me of the case the movie River's Edge was based loosely upon.

Chilling. That is one screwed up young man. Good thing he's off the streets, people are a lot safer with him locked up at least.

Man, what the victim's family has been through too...unfathomable.

Yeah, kinda seems his parents thought everything would be fixed if they were just stricter with him...never bothered to deal with him...just grounded him it sounds like...it's SO not fair that another set of parent's had to lose their child over this.
 
Also, apparently after he was arrested his parents came to the station (mom, dad and step dad I think if I remember correctly) and he told the cops he didn't wanna see them...can you imagine? A 14 year old is in custody for murder and doesn't wanna see his parents?? Most kids would be scared and want their parents I would think...
 
Nixy said:
April fool's day...
ok.

Down here there is a no exceptions type of unyielding rule structure that opens all kinds of worms. You cannot do weapons or exclaim intent of harm in either fact or fiction. That means you can't draw so much as a picture of a gun or a viking with an axe... or write 'i hate x person' on a piece of paper or you will be expelled.

April Fools or not... it would have been an ugly scene down here. Granted, there have been some really stupid moments in carrying out a 'zero tolerance' policy.
 
Nixy said:
Also, apparently after he was arrested his parents came to the station (mom, dad and step dad I think if I remember correctly) and he told the cops he didn't wanna see them...can you imagine? A 14 year old is in custody for murder and doesn't wanna see his parents?? Most kids would be scared and want their parents I would think...
Some people are just born evil.

The article mentioned that he did it to get away from his parents.
 
reading Mein Kampf while in jail

Gee, makes me kind tearing eyed knowing that a kid can read this kind of material in a jail. Makes you all just warm and fucking fuzzy inside don't it?
 
unclehobart said:
ok.

Down here there is a no exceptions type of unyielding rule structure that opens all kinds of worms. You cannot do weapons or exclaim intent of harm in either fact or fiction. That means you can't draw so much as a picture of a gun or a viking with an axe... or write 'i hate x person' on a piece of paper or you will be expelled.

April Fools or not... it would have been an ugly scene down here. Granted, there have been some really stupid moments in carrying out a 'zero tolerance' policy.

Too fucking many. We've taken it to the point where individual judgement is out of the picture. You remember the case down here where the kid was expelled for drawing a picture of his uncle, the soldier, which included a *GASP* gun? :rolleyes:
 
unclehobart said:
ok.

Down here there is a no exceptions type of unyielding rule structure that opens all kinds of worms. You cannot do weapons or exclaim intent of harm in either fact or fiction. That means you can't draw so much as a picture of a gun or a viking with an axe... or write 'i hate x person' on a piece of paper or you will be expelled.

April Fools or not... it would have been an ugly scene down here. Granted, there have been some really stupid moments in carrying out a 'zero tolerance' policy.

If he had told a TEACHER then something would have been done...if a TEACHER had over heard him something would have been done...it was a buncha 14 year olds that he told...and he was a thugged out bad ass...everyone probably assumed he was just wanting to look tough.
 
I had to go talk to the Principal at my youngest boys school about three years ago cause he doodled a gun on the back of an assignment. They didn't expel him, but the way they treated us that day he was going off to Juvie for it. They told us he could be suspended for up to 90 days because it was a violation of the Safe Schools Act.
 
A.B.Normal said:
Do explain.
I pulled a local media retort from down here that covers a few instances:

Zero-tolerance --- zero-thought
Neal Boortz

School is out for the summer. I know it’s so, because the malls are full of slouching teenaged boys doing their best imitations of brook trout while stalking teenaged flat-bellies dressed like hookers with tail-bone tattoos and jewelry hanging off their ears, eyebrows, noses, navels and God knows what else.

I guess that in a way we should be breathing a sigh of relief. For 75 days or so our kids have escaped the clutches of that bureaucratic government-employee union operated system of quasi-instructional gulags we sometimes erroneously refer to as “public schools.” They’re not “public schools,” you see; they’re GOVERNMENT schools.

Can someone please explain to this clueless radio talk show host just why so many Americans are not only willing, but apparently anxious to turn over what is supposed to be the most precious things in their lives, their children, to the government to be educated? Sorry. I don’t get it! You parents can spend an entire evening drinking cheap wine, and no matter how high the blood-alcohol level rises, you can’t come up with the name of one single task that government performs better or more efficiently than the private sector. Plunder comes to mind, but when you consult the history books you find out that Genghis Kahn still holds most of the world records in plunder, and he was a private operation --- with quite a bit of outsourcing.

I know this is dreaming, and I know that government school administrators are going to be spending quite a lot of time during the summer conjuring up new ways to tax and spend, but is there any chance at all that some of them could give some thought to fixing this idiotic “zero-tolerance” thing they’re all so proud of?

Let’s review a few of the more asinine (sorry, I would like to use a stronger word, but Townhall.com is a classy place) government school zero-tolerance outrages.

* Wisconsin: A sixth-grader gets suspended because of a science project. The project involved cutting an onion. He brought a kitchen knife to school. Bad sixth-grader.

* Georgia: Ashley is in the sixth grade. She loves Tweety Bird. She has her wallet on a Tweety Bird keychain. The government employees running her particular government school decide that her keychain is a weapon. She could strangle someone with it. (I guess … if they had a neck the size of a pencil.) Ashley … suspended. Thankfully her father sees the light and sends her to a private school.

* Texas: This zero-tolerance idiocy comes from Ft. Worth. Cory Henson plays baseball on the Diamond Hill-Jarvis baseball team. In the trunk of his car is his baseball equipment, including aluminum bats. In the front seat of his car we have a souvenir baseball bat. It is made of wood and 8” long. That’s not as long as a piece of copy paper is wide. Ft. Worth government school officials decide that the 8” bat is a weapon! The real aluminum baseball bats aren’t. I wonder if these school officials know that virtually every car in the student parking lot has a weapon in the trunk. It’s called a lug wrench. Now If you want to clobber someone, which would you choose? The 8” wooden bat or the two-pound steel lug wrench?

* Missouri: October of 2001. It is just a month after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. A fifth-grade student draws a picture of an airplane flying into a building. Suspended.

* A third-grader has a brother serving in the Army in Afghanistan. The proud third-grader draws a picture of his brother. The drawing shows his brother with a gun. Suspended.

I could take the easy way out here, use about three more examples from the endless number of stories of zero-tolerance idiocy, and end with “Ain’t that typical.” I could, but I won’t.

It might be more productive to end with a question.

Just what are we trying to accomplish in these government schools? Now the real answer here may be that we’re simply trying to create a system that guarantees long-term employment to government myrmidons who would have no realistic chance of obtaining gainful employment with comparable remuneration in the private sector. Some, though, would argue that we’re actually trying to instill in our children some reasonable skills in the area of rational decision making. If that’s so, give us an “F.”

No child or young adult is going to learn anything remotely positive by watching a classmate get kicked out of school because school officials consider a small two-ounce wooden baseball bat to be a weapon, but a large 32 ounce metal bat to be benign. All our youngsters learn watching official behavior such as this is that, by and large, adults are curious, and adults who work for government schools are curiouser than most.

Right now the students are home with their video games right now, or chasing the girls who smoke (they’re easier). Why not take advantage of the lull to reconsider these zero-tolerance policies. There’s no time like now to teach our young adults that there are very few issues that appear in only black or white.

Part of maturity is developing the idea to recognize shades of grey. If these students see that their teachers and administrators aren’t up to the task, why should they even try?
 
Yeah, they'll suspend a kid for shit like this, but won't question anything when two students handed out what turns out to be poisoned cake to everyone in the cafeteria.

Damn, maybe it's not so bad that they've taken individual judgement out of the equation. No one in the public school system seems to have any. Ever.

Private school, anyone?
 
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