The 9/11 Commission is a farce

Gonz

Gonz

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John Ashcroft, speaking to the commission on April 13 2004 dropped a bomb exposing the partisanship of the Let's get Bush brigade and yet our major media is quiet. I am now one of the converted. The media is absolutley biased to the liberals.

...we did not know an attack was coming because for nearly a decade our government had blinded itself to its enemies. Our agents were isolated by government-imposed walls, handcuffed by government-imposed restrictions and starved for basic information technology. The old national intelligence system in place on Sept. 11 was destined to fail.
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My thorough review revealed no covert action program to kill bin Laden. There was a covert action program to capture bin Laden for criminal prosecution. But even this program was crippled by a snarled web of requirements, restrictions and regulations that prevented decisive action by our men and women in the field.

When they most needed clear, understandable guidance, our agents and operatives were given the language of lawyers. Even if they could have penetrated bin Laden's training camps, they would have needed a battery of attorneys to approve the capture. With unclear guidance, our covert action team's risk of injury may have exceeded the risk to Osama bin Laden.
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The single greatest structural cause for Sept. 11 was the wall that segregated criminal investigators and intelligence agents. Government erected this wall. Government buttressed this wall. And before Sept. 11, government was blinded by this wall.
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But somebody did make these rules. Someone built this wall.

The basic architecture for the wall in the 1995 guidelines was contained in a classified memorandum entitled "Instructions on Separation of Certain Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations. The memorandum ordered FBI Director Louis Freeh and others, quote: "We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."

This memorandum established a wall separating the criminal and intelligence investigations following the 1993 World Trade Center attack, the largest international terrorism attack on American soil prior to Sept. 11. Although you understand the debilitating impact of the wall, I cannot imagine that the commission knew about this memorandum, so I have declassified it for you and the public to review. Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is a member of this commission.
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Her name is Jamie Gorelick. She was a deputy attorney general of the United States under Janet Reno. She currently is a partner at Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering. The law firm is representing Saudi Prince Mohammed al Faisal, a probable defendent in 9/11 lawsuits.

She is also the author of the memo.

Text of Ashcrofts statement

Gorelick Bio

A copy of the memo proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this is a witch hunt & nothing more. The commisssion needs to disband at the best & at the least, this woman needs to immediately resign & offer her apologies to the victims families of 9/11.
 
Like Asscroft is a bastion of truth? Pshaw! What is he spokesperson for the department of propaganda? The 9/11 commission is a "farce" beecause the Shrub Whitehouse did not cooperate with it and because the findings it did make are contrary to your little small minded Idea of a black and white right wing world.
 
Who wrote the official memo seperating CIA & FBI intelligence & not allowing cooperation betweeen the two?

The day that Janet Reno is investigated for her part in the Waco tragedy & the Rudy Ridge conspiracy is the day the left can once again comment on truth & justice form the US AG office.
 
markjs said:
Like Asscroft is a bastion of truth? Pshaw! What is he spokesperson for the department of propaganda? The 9/11 commission is a "farce" beecause the Shrub Whitehouse did not cooperate with it and because the findings it did make are contrary to your little small minded Idea of a black and white right wing world.
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Ahem...Who chose the members of the 9/11 commission? Who approved the guidelines of the 9/11 commission? The answer, which you so blatantly ignore, is the Bush administration. As for the cooperation you also ignore, who ordered (guess you missed that, too, huh) Condaleeza Rice to testify, even though it set one of the worst precedents in history? You can wring your hands and moan all you like for the timliness of the matter, but it did happen. Don't let your hate destroy your mind. ;)
 
Gonz said:
Who wrote the official memo seperating CIA & FBI intelligence & not allowing cooperation betweeen the two?
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I don't know if that is really official policy, but it's been clear since long before the 9/11 commission (heck since long before 9/11 for that matter) that there are some in the intelligence community who would put their prerogatives ahead of national security. There's no way to know if they could have prevented 9/11 (how do you prevent something you don't believe can happen?) but it still seems treasonous in my view.

Edit: Note that I never believed the 9/11 Commission would ever be anything other than a farce. Whose fault was 9/11? It was the terrorists fault.
 
It's purdy durn sad that to place themselves on the other side of every issue to try to win the election the Dems find themselves in favor of some things very un-American.

Is it a good thing that Saddam is no longer in power?
Is the fact that there hasn't been another 9-11 a bad thing?
The fact that we have prosecuted two wars with a minimal loss of life a bad thing?
Is the exemplary performance of your armed forces not something to be enormously proud of?

Is the booming economy a bad thing?

No think of all the accusations leveled against the current administration and you will quickly see that the Dems are in quite a pickle indeed!

Imagine if Kerry/Edwards had taken the position that these are good things and that they could do the same things only better! Yes you’d quickly say that would be a sure loser position because everyone can see they wouldn’t be able too. So they back France and Saddam and the U.N.! I for one can not believe that the average Dem voter shares their concept of what is right for America.
(but then Markjs isn't your average Dem voter)
or is he? He hasn't even the right to vote does he?

I heard on a right wing radio program the other day
"How on earth could you folks in Arizona elect your current Dem Govenor?"
I laughed to myself and thought:
"Illegals Vote!!"
 
chcr, I think the policy was proposed during the latter stages of the Nixon debacle. It has been unofficial policy ever since. Jaime put it into official policy territory with her memo (page 2 of the .pdf).

Yes sir, it's all the terrorists fault. So, let's follow Bush's lead & kill them.
 
Gonz said:
chcr, I think the policy was proposed during the latter stages of the Nixon debacle. It has been unofficial policy ever since. Jaime put it into official policy territory with her memo (page 2 of the .pdf).

Yes sir, it's all the terrorists fault. So, let's follow Bush's lead & kill them.
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And it's always a debacle.

As for Bush killing the terrorists, he back burnered that to go after Saddam. We should be killing the terrorists.
 
Well, well, well...

WASHINGTON, Aug. 12 - The Sept. 11 commission concluded that an intelligence program known as Able Danger "did not turn out to be historically significant," despite hearing a claim that the program had identified the future plot leader Mohammed Atta as a potential terrorist threat more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the commission's former leaders said in a statement on Friday evening.
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Why wasn't that information shared? Anybody wanna guess who wrote the order stopping Able Danger from sharing?

The same 9/11 Commissioner who's name is oddly missing from this NY Times piece.

Over at the Washington Post, they wrote their own story. They put it on page 9 & also left out Ms Gorelicks name. I wonder why?

NY Times original piece
 
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