The Gulf War

Leslie

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I think that most agree that Gulf War Syndrome exists.
I think that most agree that there were, "over there", chemical weapons used on both sides of the fence.

What I fail to understand...is why governments are continuing to deny the syndrome exists/blame it on psychiatric ailments.

Scientists in the US say they have demonstrated the existence of the illness known as "Gulf war syndrome".


The findings are in a report by the influential Research Advisory Committee on Gulf war veterans' illness, leaked to the New York Times.

Committee chief scientist Professor Beatrice Golombe said that exposure to certain substances in the Gulf may have altered some troops' body chemistry.

The study was welcomed by British veterans of the Gulf war.

The secretary of the National Gulf Veterans and Families Benevolent Association, Noel Baker, said the US research was "very explosive".

He added that the Ministry of Defence, which has always denied the existence of a syndrome, would "have to take notice" of it.

"This is very, very senior research. It's not by any private venture or by someone with an axe to grind."

He described the attitude in the US as one of "genuinely wanting to find out if there is a problem.

"In the UK, the MoD doesn't want to find the truth".

The Ministry of Defence declined to comment on the leaked report.

A spokesman said the ministry's position on the syndrome was well-documented, and that there were on-going studies into it.

The ministry argues that there was no single cause of the illnesses reported by veterans from the conflict.

Thousands of veterans of the 1991 war suffer from unexplained poor health.

Servicemen and women from the US, UK, Canada and France who took part in the operation to drive Saddam Hussein's forces from Kuwait have reported one or more symptoms, including memory loss, chronic fatigue and dizziness.

'Really ill' Many continue to suffer from chronic and debilitating illnesses more than a decade since the war.
linkie
 
Would the chemicals used to cause this be, perhaps, one of the banned WMDs that Saddam "never had"?
 
We all don't have them. Less than 25% of the worlds countries would have WMD's. Let's keep it that way.
 
From a site that is apparently anti-Bush.

...about 6 percent of Gulf War veterans have reported an ailment they believe is linked to their service. The Pentagon found that 85 percent had ailments or diseases with known causes not linked to the Gulf War.

Further Defense Department research is focusing on the 15 percent, slightly less than 1 percent of all Gulf War veterans, whose ailments could not be diagnosed. Their problems included headache and memory loss, fatigue, sleep disorders, and intestinal and respiratory ailments. These have come to be known as the symptoms of Gulf War Syndrome.




Is this a real disease?

Probably not. Gulf War Syndrome appears to be a myth. The New England Journal of Medicine, so far, is one of the only publications that has taken a stand against the Gulf War Syndrome advocates. In November 1996 they published results disputing the existance of Gulf War Syndrome.

Gulf War Syndrome is, most likely, an unfortunate bi-product of a combination of things.

Tremendous media hype surrounding the threat of chemical and biological weapons during the First Gulf War.
The litigious nature of our society.
The fact that the United States Government is a target for litigation with very deep pockets, and
Those with anti-war sentiments would like to discredit and defame the United States and the global war on terror.
Make no mistake about it, the proponents of Gulf War Syndrome will stop at nothing less than a large monetary settlement with the United States government, at taxpayers expense; and an end to United States efforts to liberate oppressed peoples of the world.

If Gulf War Syndrome were actually caused by the release of chemical or biological weapons, the situation would be quite different. The less than 1% of Gulf War veterans complaining of symptoms were spread almost evenly throughout the Gulf War theater. No particular platoon or region shows any increased rate of occurance characteristic of the release of a real weapon. Even the accidental release of real chemical weapons would not spread in this manner.

The symptoms are almost identical to those of several other "mysterious" diseases not associated with the Gulf War: Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS), Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and Fibromyalgia. You can read more about these three on the CO-CURE Page which I do NOT endorse. Many have already concluded that MCS is not a real illness, it's more of a modern version of hypocondria, but I can't speak to the other disorders.

According to the New England Journal of Medicine the rate of symptoms among Gulf War veterans is not significantly different among military who did not go to the Gulf War. This constitutes extremely strong evidence for what's called the "nul hypothesis" in scientific studies, the hypothesis that there is no Gulf War Syndrome. I have debated with spokesmen for Gulf War Syndrome organizations on local radio programs. They operate on fear and propaganda, rather than on a sound and objective debate of the facts.

The U.S. government may have exaggerated the threat to neighboring countries to get us into the war. They misjudged the effectiveness of Iraq's army. It's easy to conclude that they intentionally overestimated the threat of chemical and biological weapons to generate public support for the war. But, now we are asked, by the war's opponents, to believe in a mystery weapon so ingenious, it took years to even be discovered, and seems to strike randomly affecting only a tiny fraction of those exposed. Evidence to even believe in such a weapon would have to be extreme. Without insurmountable evidence, the only reasonable conclusion is that the disease does not exist. At best, there is no scientific evidence for a Gulf War Syndrome at present.

The New England Journal of Medicine article in November of 1996 disputing claims of a Gulf War Syndrome may not be available on the internet, but InSCIght has a summary of thier findings, it's called "Gulf War Syndrome Hits a Land Mine".

Source
 
Sarin 'Gulf war syndrome cause'



Gulf war syndrome may have been caused by exposure to the nerve gas sarin, according to reports.

The New Scientist journal has reported a leak of a US inquiry into the ill-health of veterans of the 1991 war.

The US Department of Veterans Affairs' Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses is due to publish its findings next week.

But the magazine said researchers have found neural damage consistent with the nerve agent used by Saddam Hussein.



The link is said to have been "crucial" to a change of heart by the US authorities over Gulf war syndrome.

The New York Times newspaper reported last month that US scientists believed the syndrome did exist and was caused by "toxic exposure" but it was not clear whether this was from drugs or nerve agents.

The UK government has always insisted a unique Gulf war syndrome does not exist.

Symptoms

But campaigners say 6,000 British war veterans are suffering from the syndrome, with symptoms ranging from mood swings, memory loss, lack of concentration, night sweats, general fatigue and sexual problems since the war.

According to the New Scientist report "a substantial proportion of Gulf war veterans are ill with multi-system conditions not explained by wartime stress or psychiatric illness".

Instead, the magazine reported the ill-health could have been caused by low level exposure to sarin. Three research groups had independently found specific kinds of neural damage that could explain some of the veterans' symptoms.



These veterans also had lower levels of an enzyme which breaks down sarin-like compounds.

British and US authorities have always denied that any troops were affected by nerve gas, as no soldiers showed the classic symptoms of acute exposure.

But the New Scientist said: "It now appears that very small, repeated exposure can also harm."

Experiments on animals have shown that exposure to doses of sarin too low to cause observable or immediate effects causes delayed, long-term nerve and brain damage similar to that seen in veterans, the magazine reported.

Alarms

Troops could have had low level exposure to chemical weapons throughout the war.

A Senate investigation heard in 1994 that each of the 14,000 chemical weapons alarms around the troops went off on average twice or three times a day during allied aerial bombardment of Iraq - a total of between one and two million alarms.

All were said to have been false alarms. However, evidence was mounting that soldiers may in fact have been exposed to sarin, the New Scientist said.

Another source of exposure could have been for the thousands of troops stationed near Khamisiyah in southern Iraq in March 1991.

After the fighting was over, a large chemical weapons dump was blown up, creating a plume of gas, which would have contained sarin and which could have affected at least 100,000 allied soldiers, possibly far more, the New Scientist said.

Shaun Rusling, vice chairman of the National Gulf Veterans and Families Association, said: "I agree with the findings, it is what we expected.

"It is absolutely ridiculous for the MoD to deny Gulf war syndrome does not exist. UK troops were exposed to sarin and this, along with the multiple vaccinations troops were given and exposure to depleted uranium, has caused the illnesses." The Ministry of Defence said it would not comment on leaks. The department is holding a briefing on Thursday on the medical lessons learned from the first Gulf war.


better late than never maybe
 
did then vs. did at the time his country was attacked this time :shrug:

2 very different animals if you open your eyes and have a peek.
 
Leslie said:
I think that most agree that Gulf War Syndrome exists.
I think that most agree that there were, "over there", chemical weapons used on both sides of the fence.

What I fail to understand...is why governments are continuing to deny the syndrome exists/blame it on psychiatric ailments.

linkie

Because it's not just medical costs the government would have to worry about but lawsuits in the billions and scanals that would ultimately be blamed on the citizen leaders since they're the ones in control.
 
Well, unless you were there Gonz you really have no say in it. Your opinions are based on what little information you choose to accept.


I was there. It exists.
 
I think the biggest mistake in this whole ordeal is calling it gulf war syndrome as if one thing were the cause. Chances are these sicknesses are caused by many different types of chemicals with mutiple symptoms. Blending them into one "syndrome" could render any conclusive diagnosis impossible.
 
Post Code...Since you were there, tell these folks the best way not to be incapacitated in a chemical attack...
 
That is a very good point, Hex. That probably did hinder a great deal of the research.

As it wasn't accepted at first though, the sufferers were sort of forced into it in a way though...a big group was the only way to get some attention.
 
Gato_Solo said:
Post Code...Since you were there, tell these folks the best way not to be incapacitated in a chemical attack...


Using Army issue MOPP gear there isn't much you can do. :/
 
PostCode said:
Using Army issue MOPP gear there isn't much you can do. :/

Unless it's an aerial spray, the best way to avoid chemical exposure is to leave the immediate area. As little as 50 yards upwind. Aerial spray missions are different because they actually see where you are running. Another wayis to throw on your mask, and get under cover...Since most 'gases' are not gases, but vapors, they act much like rain. Unless you've got a nice breeze going underneath your hiding spot, you should be okay. If you look at the gas attacks on the Kurds and on the Iranians, you'll notice one thing inparticular...they were all grouped together, and they were all out in the open.
 
Ohh and stock up on those stupid little detector card thingies that they issue. :rolleyes:



Like they really work.
 
PostCode said:
Ohh and stock up on those stupid little detector card thingies that they issue. :rolleyes:



Like they really work.

Actually, they work quite well...provided you're standing in a puddle of the stuff you're trying to detect, and drop the paper in the liquid... :)
 
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