The Social(ist)ization of the new administration continues

jimpeel

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Remember Carol Browner who gave us "particulate matter" as pollution when she was head of the EPA -- against the advice of all of her top advisers and experts? Well, she's back; and she is in a position to do even more damage to this country and its economy.

In addition, she is a card carrying member of Socialist International.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479935,00.html

Obama Climate Czarina Was Member of Socialist Group's Environmental Commission

Wednesday, January 14, 2009

WASHINGTON — Carol Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's choice to be his climate czarina, served until last summer as a member of a socialist organization whose mission is to enact progressive government policies, including toward environmental concerns like climate change.

Browner's name and biography have been scrubbed from the Web site of Socialist International, the umbrella group for 170 "social democratic, socialist and labor parties" in 55 countries. But a photo of Browner speaking in Greece to the group's Congress on June 30 remained in the site's archives.

Browner, formerly the longest serving administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, having served under President Bill Clinton, worked on Socialist International's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which argues that the global community must work collectively to address environmental policies.

"We are aware that essential tasks still lie ahead which we can master only through common action, since human survival increasingly depends upon the joint efforts of people around the world. ... It is the people of the world who should exercise control by means of a more advanced democracy in all aspects of life: political, social and economic. Political democracy, for socialists, is the necessary framework and precondition for other rights and liberties," the Web site reads.

The SWS commission includes among its 14 members the former prime minister of Sweden and former presidents of Chile and Poland, as well as the president of Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party and the leader of Morrocco's Socialist Union of Popular Forces.

Obama has said that taking action on climate change will be a priority in his administration. An Obama spokesman said Browner's membership in Socialist International is not a problem, and she brings "indispensable" experience in policymaking to her new role as Obama's top environmental adviser, a position that does not require Senate confirmation.

"Carol Browner was chosen to help the President-elect coordinate energy and climate policy because she understands that our efforts to create jobs, achieve energy security and combat climate change demand integration among different agencies; cooperation between federal, state and local governments; and partnership with the private sector," said Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro.

"The Commission for a Sustainable World Society includes world leaders from a variety of political parties, including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who succeeded Tony Blair, in serving as vice president of the convening organization," Shapiro said.

But a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner asked whether Browner agrees with the group's concept of "global governance" and whether "the United States should abdicate its international leadership to international organizations? Does she support its position that the international community should be the ultimate arbiter of climate change policy?"

Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., a vocal opponent of manmade global warming theories, said Browner's "extremist" views date back to the Clinton administration, when the idea of manmade global warming first became popular. He said hundreds of scientists have changed their position since then, and he said the Earth is actually in a cooling period.

"So she is pretty extremist in my eyes in terms of her liberal leanings," Inhofe told FOX News. "Where do you draw the line between an extreme liberal and a Socialist? You know, everyone has a different view of that."

Browner has spent her career working on environmental issues. Prior to serving in the Clinton administration, she worked as head of Florida's Department of Environmental Protection, where she was credited with helping implement the state's plan for saving the Everglades. Before that, she worked as a senior aide to then-Sen. Al Gore and as legal counsel on the Senate Energy Committee.

In April 1997, the National Mother's Day Committee named Browner a "Mother of the Year," which the EPA says was for her dedication to providing "children with a safer, healthier world." She is currently a principal in the Albright Group, founded by former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

FOX News' Carl Cameron and Kelly Chernenkoff contributed to this report.
 
Longest serving EPA administrator, strong environmental record, award winning, works well in a bipartisan manner and with business.

Good pick. :thumbup:
 
And your point is?
Or is this article something you agree with in its entirety, thereby making your point?

Read my lead-in, read the bolded text; and then take your best guess.

Browner is the person who ignored her best advisers and scientific experts and implemented "particulate matter" to the list of pollutants. "Particulate matter" includes dust and pollen and her doing what she did threw nearly every city that was in compliance with EPA guidelines out of compliance overnight.

The regulation was, ostensibly, to prevent soot from diesel engines from harming people. This from http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/581316e188c190158525646c004f1ec3?OpenDocument

Onroad and nonroad heavy-duty diesel engines also contribute substantially to high levels of coarse and fine particulate matter (PM) that exist in so many areas across the country. The World Health Organization has concluded that, globally, particulate matter causes 460,000 premature deaths each year.

So let's crunch the numbers.

There are 6 billion people "globally". Of those, 460,000 supposedly die of diesel engine soot.

6,000,000,000 / 460,000 = 1 person in every 13,043

460,000 / 6,000,000,000 = 7.66e-5 or .00766 of 1% of all persons globally and only we, here in the United States, are doing this at great cost and effort. Just how much is a single life worth to Ms. Browner? Obviously, the number is in the billions of dollars.

The law was used against the Colorado Public Service Co. (PSC) in Steamboat Springs, CO, to the tune of $140 million.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/581316e188c190158525646c004f1ec3?OpenDocument

Particulate matter, SO2, and NOx all impair visibility in the wilderness area. In addition, S02 and NOx emissions can cause severe environmental damage to the fragile Mt. Zirkel ecosystem. For example, they have caused the highest acid levels in snow packs ever found west of the Mississippi. When the snow melts in early spring, it can result in an "acid pulse" into rivers and lakes which can kill fish and flora in the wilderness area.

Yes, the ol' "can", "may", "might", "could", "perhaps" mantra ad nauseum.

The state of Colorado will no longer sand the roads because the sand breaks down under the wheels of vehicles and is blown around as dust by the wind. They instead use pea gravel which causes millions of dollars in windshield damage every year when it is thrown up by vehicle tires.

I actually breached this subject with the governor on KOA-AM 850 on his monthly visit to Mike Rosen's show. He told me that to stay within the EPA guidelines for "particulate matter" they had discontinued the use of sand for that reason. When I brought up the windshield issue he stated that this is the cost we all pay for clean air; and that he really enjoys his unimpaired view of the mountains every morning. :barf: What an arrogant son of a bitch.

Farmers in the state are encouraged to wet down their fields prior to tilling to cut down on the amount of dust.

Browner is a nut regardless of her politics.
 
Spike,

Save the keystrokes. We already know your opinion of the opinion.

http://junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20090115.html

Browner: Redder Than Obama Knows

By Steven Milloy
January 15, 2009

Incoming White House energy-environment czar Carol Browner was recently discovered to be a commissioner in Socialist International. While that revelation has been ignored by the mainstream media and blithely dismissed by her supporters, you may soon be paying the cost of Browner’s political beliefs in your electricity bill.

Socialist International is precisely what it sounds like -- a decidedly anti-capitalistic political cause. Founded in 1951, its organizing document rails against capitalism, asserting that it “has been incapable of satisfying the elementary needs of the world’s population … unable to function without devastating crises and mass unemployment … produced social insecurity and glaring contrasts between rich and poor … [and] resorted to imperialist expansion and colonial exploitation.…” Socialist International also asserts, “In some countries, powerful capitalist groups helped the barbarism of the past to raise its head again in the form of Fascism and Nazism.” So Socialist International at least partly blames Adolph Hitler on capitalism.

According to its own principles, Socialist International favors the nationalization of industry, is skeptical of the benefits of economic growth and wants to establish a more “equitable international economic order.” In true Marxist form, it asserts that, “The concentration of economic power in few private hands must be replaced by a different order in which each person is entitled -- as citizen, consumer or wage-earner -- to influence the direction and distribution of production, the shaping of the means of production, and the conditions of working life.”

There’s much more in Socialist International's principles, but you get the idea.

So what does all this have to do with your electricity bill? In late-December, Carbon Control News reported that Browner was a “strong backer” of utility “decoupling,” which had emerged as a “key climate policy priority for Obama.”

What is utility decoupling? The profits of electric utility companies have traditionally depended on the amount of electricity sold; basically, the more power that is sold, the more profit that is earned. The productivity-profitability link is a logical and standard business principle that is easy to understand, easy to implement and that has worked for, well, millennia in myriad business ventures -- but no more for electric utilities, if Browner has her way.

Browner wants to sever, or decouple, a utility’s profits from the amount of electricity it sells. More electricity means more coal and natural gas burning, which, according to green dogma, means more greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. So Browner believes that less electricity production is, at least, a partial answer to climate change. But less electricity would mean less profitability for electric utilities, a powerful Washington lobby that Browner can ill afford to antagonize.

To date, the electric utility industry has aided and abetted the climate alarmist cause, if not by actually lobbying for global warming regulation, then at least by its willingness to entertain such regulation as public policy worthy of serious consideration. But since endangering utility profits would likely galvanize the industry once and for all against emissions regulation, the green dilemma boils down to figuring out a way to reduce electricity sales while guaranteeing utility profits. Enter decoupling.

How would decoupling actually function in practice? There are several different schemes for decoupling, but their tedious complexity precludes elaboration here. But the schemes all essentially amount to the same thing -- sticking it to ratepayers and taxpayers. This should come as no surprise, when you stop to think about it.

Decoupling involves government guaranteeing electric utilities steady or steadily increasing profits for selling less electricity. That means implementing one of three basic scenarios: (1) consumers paying more for less electricity; (2) electricity prices remaining steady and taxpayers being called upon to subsidize the difference between the profits from actual electricity sales and the profits guaranteed by government; or (3) some combination of the two. There are no other possibilities.

Decoupling advocates assert that the consumers can avoid higher electric bills through “voluntary conservation measures” -- that is, you can lower your bill by using less power. It’s a specious assertion since consumers will still pay higher rates for the electricity they use. Moreover, “voluntary conservation” is not necessarily without cost. Compact fluorescent lightbulbs, insulation, weather stripping, solar panels and other electricity conservation efforts all can entail significant added costs that can take many years to pay for themselves.

Getting back to Browner, what could be more anti-capitalistic than to disassociate profits from sales? It’s often difficult enough to determine profits when they are tied to sales -- ask any author or recording artist. Imagine the difficulty, arbitrariness and potential for gamesmanship, if not just plain fraud, involved with government-dictated profitability based on reducing productivity. In the case of electric utilities, already a most heavily regulated enterprise, even greater government regulation of the industry will be required, which, of course, is what a good socialist like Browner would want.

Perhaps what’s most troublesome about all this is the stealthiness. Less than a week after Browner was outed as a Socialist International muckety-muck, the group scrubbed its web site of her photo and evidence of her commission membership. And in the larger picture, it's intellectually dishonest for advocates of socializing electric utilities to promote the euphemistic “decoupling” as if it were some novel solution rather than what it really is -- a subversion of our capitalistic system.

You know, one might get the impression that there’s actually something wrong with, and embarrassing about, a key White House adviser advocating the undermining of a basic principle of our economic system.

Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and manages the Free Enterprise Action Fund. He is a junk science expert, and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
 
Looks like the key words here are, "socialist" and "cost."

Screw everything else, if it carries a card with the word "socialist" and if the evidence directly points to diesel smoke emitted particulates, among other things, do exist, fuggedabowdit!! Especially if it has a monetary cost associated in any way.

A simple solution comes with directions. Step number one in the capitalist neo-con, right wing, handbook; anything associated with clean air or environment is determined by tally of the number of casualties plus some added collateral damage, potential litigation, and if it is cost prohibitive, fuggedabowdit.
The "fuggedabowdit" rationalization is explained in step number two of the same handbook under the heading of statistics and cost analysis. Call the studies and information gleaned, junk science, and put a final price tag on it making sure to point out this cost will be borne by the taxpayers. Do not fail to check the ladies wallet for a card, any card, with the word, "socialist", and refer to her as being, "anti-capitalist".

Finally, use the Karl Rove doctrine of spin and advertise how capitalism will go down the toilet based on studies by the anti-capitalist director of the EPA, how taxes will dramatically rise, how much it will cost industry, and how the newly appointed head of the EPA is a card carrying communist, gather up lots of firewood, set up the stake and prepare to immolate Carol Browner.

WHOOPIE !! The days of the Salem Witch hunts are back.
 
Browner is the person who ignored her best advisers and scientific experts and implemented "particulate matter" to the list of pollutants.

Jim, could you back up that statement? I'm only finding evidence that she was following the advice of scientific experts.

"STATEMENT OF
EPA ADMINISTRATOR CAROL M. BROWNER
REGARDING
PARTICULATE MATTER

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EPA welcomes the new study from the Natural Resources Defense Council on the health effects of fine particles of air pollution. A growing body of evidence now suggests that particulate matter poses a serious threat to public health in many American cities and may contribute to premature deaths from lung and heart disease. It may also worsen cases of childhood asthma, which are on the rise in the U.S. And it may put the elderly especially at higher risk."


http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...4c442e2a793b43308525646c004e31f3!OpenDocument



So let's crunch the numbers.

There are 6 billion people "globally". Of those, 460,000 supposedly die of diesel engine soot.

6,000,000,000 / 460,000 = 1 person in every 13,043

460,000 / 6,000,000,000 = 7.66e-5 or .00766 of 1% of all persons globally and only we, here in the United States, are doing this at great cost and effort. Just how much is a single life worth to Ms. Browner? Obviously, the number is in the billions of dollars.

How much is a life worth to you exactly Jim?

Also it's not a single life, it's 460,000 lives. It's weird that you made the jump from "1 person in every 13,043" to "1 person".

The state of Colorado will no longer sand the roads because the sand breaks down under the wheels of vehicles and is blown around as dust by the wind. They instead use pea gravel which causes millions of dollars in windshield damage every year when it is thrown up by vehicle tires.

I actually breached this subject with the governor on KOA-AM 850 on his monthly visit to Mike Rosen's show. He told me that to stay within the EPA guidelines for "particulate matter" they had discontinued the use of sand for that reason. When I brought up the windshield issue he stated that this is the cost we all pay for clean air; and that he really enjoys his unimpaired view of the mountains every morning. :barf: What an arrogant son of a bitch.

Sounds like the governor has his head on straight on this matter and that you were being arrogant thinking a few windshields were more important than clean air and nice views of the mountains.

Browner is a nut regardless of her politics.

Nope, she's got a great track record in her field.
 
Step number one in the capitalist neo-con, right wing, handbook; anything associated with clean air or environment is determined by tally of the number of casualties plus some added collateral damage, potential litigation, and if it is cost prohibitive,

So, I take it you personally give away money because you have too much? Or, maybe you invented a smog-free engine & distributed the trade secrets, for the betterment of mankind?
 
Jim, could you back up that statement? I'm only finding evidence that she was following the advice of scientific experts.

Sure. Read THIS

If we knew the proposed standards would produce these benefits, the requirements might be justified. But there is no indication the plan will even come close to achieving the stated goals. Even assuming the new standards were achievable, there is no adequate scientific basis to support the EPA's claims that these substances cause severe illness and mortality. Even the EPA's own science panel, the Clean Air Science Advisory Committee (CASAC), concluded that much more study is needed.8

...

Under the Clean Air Act, the EPA is required to review NAAQS every five years and to consider possible revisions. In February 1994, the American Lung Association sued the EPA in an effort to speed up the agency's review of air quality standards and enforce the five-year review.10 Under pressure from the court to reach a quick decision, the EPA accelerated its review of the stricter standards for ozone and PM, giving far less time to the review process than it usually gives to new proposed standards. Despite recommendations by the EPA's science advisory council, CASAC, that the agency devote more time to study, Administrator Browner announced her plan for more stringent measures. Browner must decide on July 19 -- after reviewing the more than 25,000 public comments the EPA received -- whether or not she will implement the tighter standards.11

How much is a life worth to you exactly Jim?

No more that what they would earn over the course of a lifetime, in the coin of the realm where they reside.

Also it's not a single life, it's 460,000 lives. It's weird that you made the jump from "1 person in every 13,043" to "1 person".

If a single life is worth one million dollars, the worth of the 460,000 people globally would be 460,000,000,000. If a single life is worth one billion dollars the worth of the 460,000 people globally would be 460,000,000,000,000. Are you willing to pay that with your tax dollars?

Let's look at the numbers, shall we?

SAME LINK

The effects of the new air quality standards on the economy would be devastating, and the impacts would be vast. The EPA estimates that more than 500 counties would be classified as nonattainment areas for either the new ozone or particulate matter standard, or both, and that at least 100 million individuals would be affected.3 Job loss would be significant, and prices on everything from gasoline, to the monthly electric bill, and the weekly grocery bill would increase dramatically. The EPA places the cost -- on top of $45 billion to $50 billion a year from the current provisions of the Clean Air Act4 -- at between $6.5 billion to $8.5 billion a year.5 Other studies place the cost much higher. The Regulatory Analysis Program (RAP) at the Center for Study of Public Choice, George Mason University, for example, estimates the costs for the ozone standard alone would be between $54 billion and $328 billion a year, while the costs for the particulate standard are estimated to be as high as $55 billion a year.6

Now, take those numbers times eleven for the eleven years this boondoggle has been in force.

Sounds like the governor has his head on straight on this matter and that you were being arrogant thinking a few windshields were more important than clean air and nice views of the mountains.

A "few" windshields? We are talking millions of dollars per year and that is NOT a "few" windshields.

There is a vast difference between clean air and creating an impossible standard which cannot be attained regardless of the amount of national treasure thrown at it. Couldn't that money be better spent on health care for children? Education of those who will invent future ways to clean the air economically? Food for the poor? Don't you care about the poor?

Nope, she's got a great track record in her field.

For costing the nation vast amounts of treasure.
 
stimulus?
I wonder what little bit could be generated, by reconfiguration of the nickle, again.

As of April 5, 2007 nickel was trading at 52,300 $US/mt (52.30 $US/kg, 23.51 $US/lb or 1.47 $US/oz) ,[3] [4]. The US nickel coin contains 0.04 oz (1.25 g) of nickel, which at that price was worth 6.5 cents, along with 3.75 grams of copper worth about 3 cents, making the metal value over 9 cents. Since a nickel is worth 5 cents, this made it an attractive target for melting by people wanting to sell the metals at a profit. However, the United States Mint, in anticipation of this practice, implemented new interim rules on December 14, 2006, subject to public comment for 30 days, which criminalize the melting and export of cents and nickels.[5] Violators can be punished with a fine of up to $10,000 and/or imprisoned for a maximum of five years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel

They've screwed up every thing else. Already changed it some.
 

I'm not sure if Dana Joel is a scientific expert but you have found one person who didn't like the policy. Kudos. Is that a scientist even?

I'm already shown that she was following the advice of some scientific experts so your statement about her ignoring such advice turned out to be yet another illogical genralization.

Do you really think these are going to slip past us?


No more that what they would earn over the course of a lifetime, in the coin of the realm where they reside.

That's a ridiculous system that thankfully America doesn't use.

If a single life is worth one million dollars, the worth of the 460,000 people globally would be 460,000,000,000. If a single life is worth one billion dollars the worth of the 460,000 people globally would be 460,000,000,000,000. Are you willing to pay that with your tax dollars?

That is a straw man argument based on a false premise. America doesn't assign specific dollars amounts to human life.

Let's look at the numbers, shall we?

SAME LINK

Sounds like a good investment for clean air and healthy people.

You might want to consider finding a more reliable source though. That one is certainly suspect.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FreedomWorks


A "few" windshields? We are talking millions of dollars per year and that is NOT a "few" windshields.

Using gravel instead of sand is not costing that much more and amouts to a few windshields vs. clean air.

There is a vast difference between clean air and creating an impossible standard which cannot be attained regardless of the amount of national treasure thrown at it.

Ah, but it is attainable.

Couldn't that money be better spent on health care for children? Education of those who will invent future ways to clean the air economically? Food for the poor? Don't you care about the poor?

It's not a one or the other situation Jim. Although it would make sense for us to spend less on fiascos in Iraq and put more money towards clean energy and such.

For costing the nation vast amounts of treasure.

Nope, for being a well respected effective bipartisan award winning candidate.
 
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