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Gonz

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Figure out how many of these have come to pass.

The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69).
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]



1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength."

4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.

8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN.

9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN.

11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo).

12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13) Do away with loyalty oaths.

14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.

15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US.

16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

18) Gain control of all student newspapers.

19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.

23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".

31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture": Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.

43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

ris-can I start calling some of members communists again? :D
 
we're going to compare modern society to anti-communist ramble from the 1950's? i'm sure i can find a reference to only devils and evil heretics being able to fly written in the 1350's, and would equally mean bugger all.

;)
 
What does relevence have to do with time? That's 40 years old, same as me. It seems incredibly pertinent & foresightful. Did you actually read the list & notice how many things are in full motion, today?
 
i think the relevence i am looking for is that, for example, the inclusion of eastern bloc countries in nato. it has come to pass but the countries are no longer communist. as a point of ticking a list it has come to pass and therefore precludes the herlong goals of communism.

can i remove a point for the collapse of the ussr?

this is a 40yo document, a good deal of which is the product of its time, associating homosexuality [for example] as a communist ideal toward the destruction of the us. it is largely an anacronysm, an object of the past whose relevence is limited.
 
The collapse of the Soviet Union has little to do with the demise of communism. The only way to conquer America is through the inside. Communism is alive and well & a threat to our very way of life. I, for one, am not a bee living in a hive. That's the best metaphor I've seen.

Here's the list, boiled down to what has recently or is currently being discussed. Rather extensive for a 40 year old propaganda piece.

5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo).

15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US.

16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

18) Gain control of all student newspapers.

19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.

23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".

31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture": Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.

44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

America is going to wake up, soon, and find itself with a civil war brewing. We are being destroyed from the inside. Mostly from touchy-feely do gooders who had no idea they were working for the enemy. The true enemy meanwhile is sitting back & enjoying the show.
 
Gonz said:
The collapse of the Soviet Union has little to do with the demise of communism. The only way to conquer America is through the inside. Communism is alive and well & a threat to our very way of life. I, for one, am not a bee living in a hive. That's the best metaphor I've seen.

Here's the list, boiled down to what has recently or is currently being discussed. Rather extensive for a 40 year old propaganda piece.



America is going to wake up, soon, and find itself with a civil war brewing. We are being destroyed from the inside. Mostly from touchy-feely do gooders who had no idea they were working for the enemy. The true enemy meanwhile is sitting back & enjoying the show.

it may not have anything to do with the demise of communism but it has a great deal of relevence to the piece you are referring to, the handing of monies and inclusion into the un of soviet satellites is clearly intended to be while they are still communist run. as they are not then their technical agreement with the piece is undermined by the events that have passed since.

some of them are slightly contradictory or so highly subjective or requiring information that has since passed that they too lose relevence to modern society.
i like the idea that censorship is bad, but we should not tolerate pornography and obsenity in books or media. without censorship you are likely to get those things so one is likely to come to pass. i'm not sure that the standards of 1950's culture are completely relevant and applicable to our modern one.
 
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind.

Isn't that exactly what the world policy wonks (including those in the Democrat party) are after? If it's bad to allow the US (or any country) act as moderator & arbiter to the rest of the world, point to absolute failures. The world is safer today than 50 years ago when we didn't meddle. Not everybody likes the outcome but there hasn't been another worldwide blowup since & the threat from behind the iron curtain is no longer a threat (or in existance). The Chinese are moving toward capitalism & away from communism. Where are the long term failures?
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US.
-Look at the policies of the Democrat party. JFK's party stopped Brezhnev cold. Bill Clintons party ran from some Somalian thugs. Same name, different agenda.

18) Gain control of all student newspapers. 19) Use students to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
We don't have to go far to see the current effects of these ideals. Just look to the current situation in Iraq.

21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
This is the basis of the entire "McCarthy era" mentality. In 1995 they released some information that proved Sen McCarthy was right on the money. He died a broken & bitter man when he was a hero to those who believe in the American way. There have been so few pro-American or pro-religion movies since the 60's. The conservatives in Hollywood are the ones "in hiding" or being blacklisted. It's not by the government either. It's by those who hate America & hope thios list succeeds.

23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
There is one hell of a lot of difference between the Michelangelo & Maplethorpe wouldn't you say. David has lasted & astounded artists for 600 years. Photos of bullwhips penetrating anus' will last ???. The Sistene Chapel vs a cross in a jar of urine. Damn, even something not offensive like Schnabel or Warhol are not long term awe inspiring art. They are flavors of the week.

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV. 26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."
The fact that some organization of demented, twisted psychopaths like NAMBLA is allowed to exist is testament to this. It's now online, out of Germany(I think) because America finally chased it away. Freedom comes with responsibility. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. There is something wrong with trying to make it normal. It isn't. It's less than 2% of the population (figures change but that is a reasonable estimation). If all the homosexuals were put onta an island, they'd die off. That means there is something dispalced somewhere. Todays public library employees are taught to destroy information on what people read & check out of the library before the government has a chance to look at it, if need be. THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Librarians fought placing filters on some public library computers. Adults were leaving porn on the screeen & walking away, leaving kids to discover it & that is ok? NO, it's not. You want to look at porn, no problem. Do it in the privacy of your home or office. Not where 10 year olds are gathered!!!

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...
Where does it say that people can't use public grounds to express their free exercise? It does say that the government may not directly or indirectly establish a religion. Having the Ten Commandments up in an Alabama courtroom, placed there by a private citizen, or not allowing our kids to have a few seconds of silence to do what thay do is not establishing religion. Having the teacher lead the prayer may be. Having public monies buy the sculpture may be. Neither case is true. Many public schools actually have a prayer room for Muslims though. Explain that bit of irony. Religion is not bad, Some followers may be.

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
Both of these things have happened right here at OTC. It's also happeing in public schools. Read the thing. It is as close to a perfect system as we have, then or now. It balances out the powers. It allows the citizen a voice. It expressly limits the power of government over its citizens. It specifies what may happen. If it's not expressly written, it is against the constitution. Our current (and some former) crop of government employees have overridden many parts & yet nobody bitches. When we do, we're called zealots. It's being destroyed from the inside.
If you think the founding fathers (an expression that isn't used anymore) were racist rich guys with no foresight, I beg you, read the Federalist Papers. These guys were brilliant, by any standard.

32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Need I relpy at all? Look through most of my posts for thoughts on these.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. 39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
It's happening right this instant. Unelected servants of the state have been granted authority over many federal & state agencies. Look at the Florida case where they, literally, lost several hundred kids. Most of these people wouldn't have the sense to work at McDonalds yet they are in charge of our children. I'm currently on a bend against (most) psychology & will have more there.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
The Nationa Association of Women oppose stay at home moms. They look down their noses at women who decide that the family, specifically their children, are more important than a salaried position. They fight any candidate that has great ideas but despises abortion. They fought for & obtained no-fault divorces. They promote lesbiansm. They try to discredit to-be Supreme Court Justices but overlook womanizing Presidents. Hypocritical? You bet. 38) & 41) are working together. Many states have laws against homeschooling. Many have unrealistic expectations to do this (California requires homeschooling parents to have a teaching certificate). Why? This allows the government to teach what it thinks is correct. The parents be damned. Let me tell you what...the government be damned. It's my kid, my house, my property & my government. Stop me.

I've almost worn myself out with this. *wipes brow*

I can't believe how few people have responded to this & ris, the UK should read this & be warned also.

The US, due to its current position in the world, is the immediate target. Not necessarily by communism but by world government promoters & socialist activists. They wish to destroy what has taken human most of their history to produce...a form of government that allows & even promotes a strong & viable middle class. That section of the population is the most dangerous to communism/socialism. The rich have nothing to worry about & the poor have no choice. The middle class has the power to change everything,if & when they decide too. Look at the California recall. They said enough was enough. Imagine that on a country wide scale. Even better, imagine a world of democratic style governments where a huge vast majority had the ability to live better than they ever hoped & had the power to change things. Now that is a New World Order.
 
That and our government is collapsing, one tile at a time & no-one seems to care.
 
Yes, it's been collapsing for years. I thought it started with Reagan at one time, but I think it's been happening longer than that. The same thing will happen eventually that happened in the former USSR. Note that that collapse had little to do with communism and everything to do with avarice and corruption. When the USSR collapsed, I thought that it would happen here someday. It won't be pretty, and it may be bloody. I do care Gonz. I do, however, think it's inevitable.
 
wow, someone's got a lot of time on thier hands! i can't comment on half of it because i genuinely don't understand half of the references made to [not being from the us and all]. the stuff to do with art is somewhat moot though [and something i do understand] - art has always changed and developed, new artists are discredited as not having the quality of their forefathers and as not being true 'art'. john constable, probably the finest landscape artist in uk history [haywain, etc] and today world reknowned with gainsborough as one of the principal developers of the landscape tradition, was ignored and reviled for most of his career for not being a romantic landscape artist. he sold very few paintings until late in his life.
van gogh sold 2 paintings during his career i believe.

the point i am making is that artists were rarely appreciated for what they do until late on in their career and often after they die. it is not unusual for them to be discredited and attacked as 'not art' during their lifetime.

the freeedom to develop and explore art in new and innovative ways is an important part of modern society. some of the greatest architects and painters in the 1930s us [in particular the chicago bauhaus] were escaping a regime that denounced them as 'degnerate' and tried to close them down and promote an authorised artistic view.

the meaningless blobs referred to in the ext could well be a reference to artists such as henry moore and barbara hepworth - today accepted as some of the finest modern artists and scuptors of the late 20th century. time puts art into its true perspective, the tat falls from the wayside and the quality rises to the surface, i think it would be wrong and censuous to try to create an accepted art for society - it goes against the notion that art is and should be exploration and pushing boundaries.
 
:swing:

The Communist Party USA will not run a candidate for president, will not support progressive third-party bids but will instead throw its support behind the Democratic Party in an all-out effort to defeat President Bush and the Republican Congress, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

WND

:D
 
FORESIGHT said:
The middle class has the power to change everything,if & when they decide too. Look at the California recall. They said enough was enough. Imagine that on a country wide scale.
 
Without taking time to read the whole manifesto, just skimming for now...26 - 31, and 40-42 are here or well on their way.
 
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