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SOURCE: http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/region/Court_overturns_ruling_declari:.shtml

Court overturns ruling declaring death penalty unconstitutional

NEW YORK (AP) A federal appeals court Tuesday firmly rejected a lower court's conclusion that the federal death penalty was unconstitutional, declaring that only the Supreme Court can change ''well-settled'' law.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reached deep into history books to show that Judge Jed S. Rakoff had not found new legal territory when he ruled the death penalty amounted to the ''state-sponsored murder of innocent human beings'' because so many death row inmates are later exonerated.

Rakoff ruled July 1 in a case brought against two men in a drug-murder conspiracy.

The appeals court, though, noted that European nations from which the United States derived its laws recognized in the 1700s that capital punishment carries the risk that innocent people will be executed.

In the 1800s, abolitionists argued that the killing of innocent people was reason to shelve the death penalty, the appeals court said.

''Since that time, there has been a prodigious scholarly debate over whether the likelihood that innocent people will be executed justifies abolition of the death penalty,'' it said.

Still, the appeals court said, the Supreme Court for more than 200 years has repeatedly left death penalty laws intact even as it recognized that ''because our judicial system indeed, any judicial system is fallible, innocent people might be executed and, therefore, lose any opportunity for exoneration.''

The appeals court said Congress also fully considered the issue before enacting the 1994 Death Penalty Act.

''Binding precedents of the Supreme Court prevent us from finding capital punishment unconstitutional based solely on a statistical or theoretical possibility that a defendant might be innocent,'' the appeals court wrote.

In its 35-page ruling, the appeals court said there was ''no fundamental right to a continued opportunity for exoneration throughout the course of one's natural life.''

Defense lawyer Kevin McNally promised to appeal, noting that the appeals court wrote that ''if the well-settled law on this issue is to change, that is a change that only the Supreme Court is authorized to make.''

''We are going to appeal, which is basically what the court said we need to do. All the court said is that this is an old debate and while there is new evidence, the only court that can look at the new evidence is the Supreme Court, which is fine,'' he said.

''If we were going to lose, then this is what you'd want them to say,'' McNally said in a telephone interview.

Prosecutors declined comment.

Rakoff was the first federal judge to declare the federal law unconstitutional, saying too many innocent people have been executed. His ruling energized death penalty challengers. The National Association of Defense Attorneys and the American Civil Liberties Union Capital Punishment Project submitted papers on appeal.

Chris Dunn, a New York Civil Liberties Union attorney, said the issue is ''going to go to the Supreme Court whether it's in this case or another case.''

''There has been a revolution in the exoneration of death penalty defendants in the last 10 years,'' Dunn said. ''This is an issue that the Supreme Court will need to confront.''

In his ruling, Rakoff had said he based his findings on studies of state death penalty cases, because the number of federal death sentences 31 was too small to draw any conclusions.

Only two people, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and drug killer Juan Garza, have been executed under the federal law, enacted in 1994. Of the remaining 29, five were reversed. The government said none of the 31 defendants was later found to be innocent.

The federal death penalty is separate from state laws; Tuesday's ruling had no effect on them. Thirty-eight states allow capital punishment, although some have not executed anyone for many years. The governors of Illinois and Maryland have placed moratoriums on executions in their states.

Rakoff's ruling came during the pretrial phase in the case of Alan Quinones and Diego Rodriguez, alleged partners in a heroin ring. They are accused of torturing and killing informant Edwin Santiago in 1999 and have pleaded innocent. Trial is set for March 10.
 
Well I know there's lethal injection, the chair, gas, and maybe others to choose from....(not very up on this stuff).
 
Lethal injection is used in most states and in the federal government. Alabama executed one person this year with the electric chair. Utah allows the inmate to choose between lethal injection and a firing squad.
 
California had a gas chamber up until probably a decade or so ago, but it was "cruel and unusual" punishment so the state switched to lethal injection.

I personally like the firing squad idea.

"What do you want on your tombstone?"
"Pepperoni and sausage." :D
 
would you?

MitchSchaft said:
I think the victims of the crime should be the ones who carry out the death penalty.

Would you kill someone?

I can't say for *sure*, but I really couldn't see myself being the one to push the button or whatever....
 
Re: would you?

nambit said:
MitchSchaft said:
I think the victims of the crime should be the ones who carry out the death penalty.

Would you kill someone?

I can't say for *sure*, but I really couldn't see myself being the one to push the button or whatever....
I would do it without question, hence I support capital punishment. Getting rid of all the useless trash in society is worth it.
 
Re: Re: would you?

Jerrek said:
Getting rid of all the useless trash in society is worth it.

How does one decide what 'useless trash' is?

There was a document written in 1948, the universal declaration of human rights...

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world

(oh, i got bored, rant over :))
 
Re: Re: Re: would you?

nambit said:
Jerrek said:
Getting rid of all the useless trash in society is worth it.

How does one decide what 'useless trash' is?
Those that commit a crime that warrants capital punishment are useless trash. Who gets to decide? Society in the form of a court with a judge and jury.

There was a document written in 1948, the universal declaration of human rights...

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world

(oh, i got bored, rant over :))
I'm unsure how this applies? Justice is served when you execute a murderer, rapist, child molester, and so forth.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: would you?

Jerrek said:
I'm unsure how this applies? Justice is served when you execute a murderer, rapist, child molester, and so forth.

oh, i was going to go on and actually make a point, but as i said, got bored... just found a picture of a girl i 'knew' in the paper - she's a condom tester now.

much more interesting that politics that is :)
 
Anyone watch Dateline last night? They had a woman on there that was abducted, raped, had her hands cut off, and shoved into a culvert. She managed to stick her stumps in mud to stop the bleeding, spent the night there, then got up the next morning and walked two miles to a highway and got help. She positively id'd her attacker, including his house, van, almost flawless sketch of the man. He got 14 years. 14.

That was a perfect case for the death penalty. If not death, at least do some eye for an eye action here.
 
PuterTutor said:
Anyone watch Dateline last night? They had a woman on there that was abducted, raped, had her hands cut off, and shoved into a culvert. She managed to stick her stumps in mud to stop the bleeding, spent the night there, then got up the next morning and walked two miles to a highway and got help. She positively id'd her attacker, including his house, van, almost flawless sketch of the man. He got 14 years. 14.

That was a perfect case for the death penalty. If not death, at least do some eye for an eye action here.
Which state was this in? That is sick beyond belief. He should have been hanged or something. Lethal injection is too tame, I'm sorry.
 
California. The original crime took place about 17 years ago. He served ten years, got out on parole. The poor woman turned into a vagabond trying to stay away from him out of pure paranoia, then in '97 he murdered a hooker in Florida and got the death sentence, after the first victim testified at his sentencing hearing. California has since made a new law that provides for a life sentence in cases that include mutilation, but at the time, 14 years was the max he could get.
 
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