U.S. Supreme Court to Hear First Second Amendment Case Since 1939‏

jimpeel

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If you are saying "So what?" right now you have no idea of how large this case is. This WILL be one of the SCoTUS' most historical landmark cases in U.S. history regardless of which way they rule.

information on this case may be found at http://dcguncase.com/blog/

Much may also be learned at this firearms posting board http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260937

U.S. Supreme Court to Hear First Second Amendment Case Since 1939
Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Fairfax, Va. - The United States Supreme Court today announced its decision to take up District of Columbia v. Heller-a case in which plaintiffs challenge the unconstitutional gun ban in the nation's capital. The District of Columbia appealed a lower court's ruling earlier this year affirming that the Second Amendment of the Constitution protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, and that the District's bans on handguns, carrying firearms within the home, and possession of loaded or operable firearms for self-defense violate that right.

The NRA will participate in this case through briefs as a friend of the court. Oral arguments are likely to take place in early 2008.

In March, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit held that "[T]he phrase 'the right of the people,' when read intratextually and in light of Supreme Court precedent, leads us to conclude that the right in question is individual." The D.C. Circuit also rejected the claim that the Second Amendment does not apply to the District of Columbia because D.C. is not a state.

The decision marks the first time a Second Amendment challenge to a firearm law has reached the Supreme Court since 1939.

--nra--
 
This is what the Second Amendment Foundation has to say about this:

NEWS RELEASE
SAF EXCITED ABOUT SUPREME COURT REVIEW OF HELLER CASE

BELLEVUE, WA – For the first time in United States history, the Supreme Court will hear a case that should, once and for all, decide the meaning of the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment Foundation could not be happier.

“We are confident that the high court will rule that the Second Amendment affirms and protects an individual civil right to keep and bear arms,” said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. “Previous Supreme Court rulings dating back more than a century have consistently referred to the Second Amendment as protective of an individual right, but the case of District of Columbia v. Heller focuses on that issue, and we expect the court to settle the issue once and for all.”

The court announced today that it will hear an appeal of the case, in which seven Washington, D.C. residents have sued to overturn the district’s 31-year-old gun ban. In March, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 that the ban is unconstitutional because it violates the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. The court further ruled that the amendment does protect an individual right. The ruling set off a firestorm, in which gun control proponents, who had frequently claimed to support a right to keep and bear arms, dropped all pretenses and publicly acknowledged that they do not believe there is such a right protected by the Second Amendment.

“An affirmative ruling by the Supreme Court will probably not be the death knell for the extremist citizen disarmament movement,” Gottlieb said, “but it will properly cripple their campaign to destroy an important civil right, the one that protects all of our other rights. The insidious effort to strip American citizens of their firearms rights, while at the same time permanently harming public safety must end.

“The Washington, D.C. gun ban has been a monumental failure and the crime statistics prove that,” Gottlieb said. “For almost 70 years, gun banners have deliberately misinterpreted and misrepresented the high court’s language in the U.S. v Miller ruling in 1939. It is long past the time that this important issue be put to rest, and the Heller case will provide the court with that opportunity.”

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The high court did say this in JAY PRINTZ, SHERIFF/CORONER, RAVALLI COUNTY, MONTANA, PETITIONER 95-1478 v. UNITED STATES RICHARD MACK, PETITIONER 95-1503 :

Government's authority under the Commerce Clause, which merely allocates to Congress the power "to regulate Commerce . . . among the several states," does not extend to the regulation of wholly intrastate, point of sale transactions. See United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549, and United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 584 (1995) (concurring opinion). Absent the underlying authority to regulate the intrastate transfer of firearms, Congress surely lacks the corollary power to impress state law enforcement officers into administering and enforcing such regulations. Although this Court has long interpreted the Constitution as ceding Congress extensive authority to regulate commerce (interstate or otherwise), I continue to believe that we must "temper our Commerce Clause jurisprudence" and return to an interpretation better rooted in the Clause's original understanding. Id., at 601; (concurring opinion); see also Camps Newfound/Owatonna, Inc. v. Town of Harrison, 520 U. S. ___, (1997) (Thomas, J., dissenting). Even if we construe Congress' authority to regulate interstate commerce to encompass those intrastate transactions that "substantially affect" interstate commerce, I question whether Congress can regulate the particular transactions at issue here. The Constitution, in addition to delegating certain enumerated powers to Congress, places whole areas outside the reach of Congress' regulatory authority. The First Amendment, for example, is fittingly celebrated for preventing Congress from "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion or "abridging the freedom of speech." The Second Amendment similarly appears to contain an express limitation on the government's authority. That Amendment provides: "[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This Court has not had recent occasion to consider the nature of the substantive right safeguarded by the Second Amendment. If, however, the Second Amendment is read to confer a personal right to "keep and bear arms," a colorable argument exists that the Federal Government's regulatory scheme, at least as it pertains to the purely intrastate sale or possession of firearms, runs afoul of that Amendment's protections. As the parties did not raise this argument, however, we need not consider it here. Perhaps, at some future date, this Court will have the opportunity to determine whether Justice Story was correct when he wrote that the right to bear arms "has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic." 3 J. Story, Commentaries �1890, p. 746 (1833). In the meantime, I join the Court's opinion striking down the challenged provisions of the Brady Act as inconsistent with the Tenth Amendment.

-- Justice Thomas, concurring
 
AFAIK, you only need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, or a military grade weapon.

There are states, and some localities such as Denver, in which you may not carry openly either. Rick Stanley challenged the law in Denver and the court ruled that because Denver is a home rule city that they are not bound by the state constitutional preemption provision. :eek5:

Of course, Stanley is his own worst enemy because he carried the mess to unacceptable heights in subsequent pleadings which included threats to judges. He tried top call that "free speech" but that was shot down by the appeals court. He had a good case which should have carried him to the SCoTUS but he blew it with his posturing.
 
yup, rick stanley is a twit. totally the wrong way to "protest."

so come on jim, don't just dump text, give us some analysis. what does all this mean? why should we care? why does it hurt when i pee?
 
yup, rick stanley is a twit. totally the wrong way to "protest."

so come on jim, don't just dump text, give us some analysis. what does all this mean? why should we care? why does it hurt when i pee?

You obviously have placing your "gun" in the wrong holsters.

As to analysis:

The right to arms is the only right for which a physical object is attributed. The right was originally placed there by people who had just thrown off the yoke of oppression of a tyrannical government against which the Declaration of Independence was specifically written. This was to deter the new government from becoming tyrannical as well because there would always be the threat of an armed populace to take them down.

Gun control is what started the Revolutionary War as the "shot heard 'round the world" was fired when Gen. Gage came to take the arms from the armory and disarm the citizenry.

There are those who believe that the threat of armed rebellion against a tyrannical government is an obsolete proviso in law. Most are, however, totally ignorant of the fact that the last time Americans rose up against government abuse was in 1946.

Click HERE to see what that battle was all about.

Without the threat of armed rebellion, governments could simply abuse their citizenry with impugnity -- like every dictatorship on Earth. Chairman Mao was correct when he stated "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

It is obvious that without the Second Amendment, the rest of the amendments would soon fall to government peril. It is often stated that where the govenrnment fears the people, there is freedom. Where the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

I could take you through quotes on firearms by Jefferson, Story, Henry, et al but only one need be stated here:

On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed. —

TITLE: To William Johnson.
EDITION: Washington ed. vii, 296.
EDITION: Ford ed., x, 230.
PLACE: Monticello
DATE: 1823

The meaning of the Second Amendment at that time was that it was an individual right. It means the same thing now.

Think about this, if you will. If firearms in the hands of the common citizen is the last resort against a tyrannical government; why, then is that same government so anxious to remove those firearms from that citizenry?
 
The meaning of the Second Amendment at that time was that it was an individual right. It means the same thing now.

Think about this, if you will. If firearms in the hands of the common citizen is the last resort against a tyrannical government; why, then is that same government so anxious to remove those firearms from that citizenry?

Because some citizens are irresponsible. Once that happens, other citizens, who live in fear of the irresponsible and lawless folk, want the tools of the irresponsible removed. What they fail to realize is, that irresponsible and lawless will continue to be irresponsible and lawless regardless of why the tools are removed, and may get the tools anyway. They give up their freedom for safety and security...and, thus, force other responsible folk to follow suit through restrictions...
 
Because some citizens are irresponsible. Once that happens, other citizens, who live in fear of the irresponsible and lawless folk, want the tools of the irresponsible removed. What they fail to realize is, that irresponsible and lawless will continue to be irresponsible and lawless regardless of why the tools are removed, and may get the tools anyway. They give up their freedom for safety and security...and, thus, force other responsible folk to follow suit through restrictions...

Yep!
 
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