Where have you been

[Gonz]

Some of you are career Bush haters. Some, rookies, most in between. All have complained about lies & deceit. Fair enough. Or is it? Not one word on Howard Dean or Wesley Clark. This came out at noon EST yesterday. I've been gone. Were we ignoring this because it wasn't a conservative slip of the tongue? You know damned well you'd have been all over it had Bush made such an obvious & absolutely stupid mistake. Piss & moan all you wish....but please, don't allow politics to get in the way of truth.

No wonder Clinton fired him....too much competition

I've been very consistent... I've been against this war from the beginning. I was against it last summer, I was against it in the fall, I was against it in the winter, I was against it in the spring. And I'm against it now

President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt. Can anything be more moving than the joyous throngs swarming the streets of Baghdad? Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back. Statues and images of Saddam are smashed and defiled.

Even more foolhardy

TWO WEEKS BEFORE CONGRESS PASSED THE IRAQ CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION WESLEY CLARK MADE THE CASE FOR WAR; TESTIFIED THAT SADDAM HAD 'CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS

There's no requirement to have any doctrine here. I mean this is simply a longstanding right of the United States and other nations to take the actions they deem necessary in their self defense.

Every president has deployed forces as necessary to take action. He's done so without multilateral support if necessary. He's done so in advance of conflict if necessary. In my experience, I was the commander of the European forces in NATO. When we took action in Kosovo, we did not have United Nations approval to do this and we did so in a way that was designed to preempt Serb ethnic cleansing and regional destabilization there. There were some people who didn' t agree with that decision. The United Nations was not able to agree to support it with a resolution.

There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.

And, I want to underscore that I think the United States should not categorize this action as preemptive. Preemptive and that doctrine has nothing whatsoever to do with this problem. As Richard Perle so eloquently pointed out, this is a problem that's longstanding. It's been a decade in the making. It needs to be dealt with and the clock is ticking on this.

I think there's no question that, even though we may not have the evidence as Richard [Perle] says, that there have been such contacts [between Iraq and al Qaeda]. It' s normal. It's natural. These are a lot of bad actors in the same region together. They are going to bump into each other. They are going to exchange information. They're going to feel each other out and see whether there are opportunities to cooperate. That's inevitable in this region, and I think it's clear that regardless of whether or not such evidence is produced of these connections that Saddam Hussein is a threat.

Pretty good stuff for the Clintons handpicked Presidential nominee for the Democratic party in 2004. They are running scared from Dean & this was thier best choice? Is Bill slipping? Hilary. Has she gone mad, allowing this fool.

This is going to be a good year for politics, methinks.

Hell, Liberman knows an idiot when he see's one.

For Immediate Release
Contact: Jano Cabrera
Thursday, January 15, 2004

LIEBERMAN STATEMENT ON CLARK IRAQ TESTIMONY

MANCHESTER, NH -- Joe Lieberman issued the following statement in response to the Drudge Report's discovery of congressional testimony from September 2002 in which Wes Clark made the case for war in Iraq. The report provides evidence directly contradicting Clark's repeated claims that he has been "very consistent" on the war "from the very beginning."

Statement by Joe Lieberman

"Yesterday, Wesley Clark attacked me for pointing out his multiple positions on the war in Iraq. It is no longer credible for Wesley Clark to assert that he has always had only one position on the war - being against it. His own testimony before Congress shows otherwise.

"He may think it is 'old-style politics' to point this out, but the only thing old here is a candidate not leveling with the American people. If we want to begin anew and replace George Bush, we need to level with the American people, which is what I have done in this campaign and throughout my career. You may not always agree with me but you will always know where I stand."

#

Yesterday on Good Morning America, Host Charlie Gibson told Wes Clark that "Joe Lieberman [is] saying Wes Clark had six different positions on the war."

Clark responded, "Well, has he ever named the six different positions, Charlie? I meant that's just -- that's old-style politics. You can go back to my record. I've even been on your show - while I couldn't t when I was on CNN. But, I was consistently against this since the guys from the pentagon told me two weeks after 9/11 we were attacking Iraq. It didn't make any sense to me. And I have been very, very consistent on this. This was a war we didn't have to fight. It was an elective war. I have said it at almost every opportunity."

END

 

[Gonz]

I didn't forget about Howard Dean.

Why was the same action okay under Clinton?

Below is the text of Howard Dean's letter to President Clinton on the conflict in Bosnia, dated July 19, 1995.



The Honorable William J. Clinton

President of the United States

The White House

Washington, D.C. 20500


Dear Mr. President:

After long and careful thought, and after several years of watching the gross atrocities committed by the Bosnian Serbs, I have reluctantly concluded that the efforts of the United Nations and NATO in Bosnia are a complete failure.

I think your policy up to this date has been absolutely correct. We must give, and have given, this policy with our allies and with the United Nations every opportunity to work. It is evident, however, that the cost in human lives in allowing this policy to continue is too great. In addition, and perhaps more importantly for the United States, we are now in a position of ignoring, as many did in the 1940s, one of the worst crimes committed in history. If we ignore these behaviors, no matter where they occur, our moral fiber as a people becomes weakened. As the Catholic Church and others lost credibility during the Holocaust for not speaking out, so will the United States lose credibility and our people lose confidence in themselves as moral beings if the United States does not take action.

Since it is clearly no longer possible to take action in conjunction with NATO and the United Nations, I have reluctantly concluded that we must take unilateral action. While I completely agree with you that no ground troops should be committed for other than humanitarian purposes in Bosnia, I would ask that you take the following steps in Bosnia. First, lift the arms embargo as it applies to the Bosnian government. Second, enforce a full embargo of the sort that is now in effect in Iraq on the Bosnian Serbs and upon Yugoslavia. Third, break off diplomatic relations with Yugoslavia. Fourth, commit American air power to support the Bosnian government until the situation is stabilized and the civilian murders and atrocities by the Bosnian Serbs have been stopped.

I understand the risks of this policy and their implications for the NATO Alliance and the future success of the United Nations. Surely, however, as you watch and read about the huge amount of unwarranted human suffering, particularly of children, you would agree that our current course must now be changed.

I urge you to make these changes as soon as possible, and I look forward to supporting your policy fully to the best of my ability.

Sincerely,

Howard Dean, M.D.

Governor

I wonder if John F Kerry (doncha love that the MA Senator has suddenly begun using his (that) particular initial) has a loan protection policy? We all know the Dems can't resist liars.

 

[Squiggy]

You really need to sleep off the Ohio thing...niether of those two are anything to me. Bush lied to me as my President in an attempt to coerse my support for him to send Americans to kill and be killed for his own private agenda.....
And bosnia does not compare to Iraq....

 

[Gonz]

This came about at the beginning of the Ohio trip. It's not retaliation

These are two front runners in the Democrat primary race. They very well should be something to you. The probability is one of these two will win. As I harken back to the 1992 primary race & the number of times the future President was called out for lying and....well, we all know how that went impeachement

WTF do you mean Bosnia doesn't compare...what is the difference? Or wait, I get it, one is European & the other isn't.

 

[Squiggy]

Dean has the right idea about Bush but thats as far as my agreement or interest goes with either of them...Bosnia is so different that I can't believe you're asking that. And don't start with that 'after the fact' bullshit about liberation....You would just be perpetuating Bush's lies...

 

[Gonz]

Actually, I didn't know why we were in Bosnia in the first place. Can't the Europeans police their own backyard?

Ethnic cleansing, by any other name, smells as rank. Why was it okay to spend 6 months in Bosnia ( )...sorry , I can't go on.....

 

[chcr]

Oh yeah, I love the democrats.

Politicians in general are liars, thieves and con-men, and the difference between republicans and democrats is marketing, nothing else.

Try to keep up.

 

[Gonz]

Some of you are career Bush haters. Some, rookies, most in between. All have complained about lies & deceit. Fair enough. Or is it? Not one word on Howard Dean or Wesley Clark. This came out at noon EST yesterday. I've been gone. Were we ignoring this because it wasn't a conservative slip of the tongue? You know damned well you'd have been all over it had Bush made such an obvious & absolutely stupid mistake. Piss & moan all you wish....but please, don't allow politics to get in the way of truth.