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Gonz

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Take you woman to Canada for better treatment. She'll love you for it.

In fact, answer me this...with all the hoopla about government healthcare, what have they specifically said they'd do to IMPROVE HEATHCARE? Not the financial end. How are they gonna improve our doctors, their labs & their staff?
 

spike

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Take you woman to Canada for better treatment. She'll love you for it.

Too cold. I'm just going to support improving our system.

In fact, answer me this...with all the hoopla about government healthcare, what have they specifically said they'd do to IMPROVE HEATHCARE? Not the financial end. How are they gonna improve our doctors, their labs & their staff?

The first step towards improving people's health has gotta be them having access to health care and the medicine they need in the first place.

But the reform bills are also trying to make improvements as well.
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth...provide_more_doctors_for_older_americans.html
 

Gonz

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The first step towards improving people's health has gotta be them having access to health care and the medicine they need in the first place.

A start.

All people have access to emergency care. They do not have unfettered access to free lifetime care. There are private groups (religious and not-for-profit) that help. There are family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, pleas for help (coin jar at the 7-11 HELP TIMMY), co-ops, to name a few that help.

The federal government may not act to help them. Why not? Title 9. Amendmetn IV. Amendment X, Amendment XIII. If we pay for one, we must pay for all. Remember that whole equality thing?

Private institutions being forced to provide uncompensated care have two options:
Overcharge the payng customers to make up for lost revenue(current dilemma)
or
Go out of business (see shrinking ER's across the US) (also current dilemma).

All our curent problems come from government intervention. Why give them the reign to the whole thing?
 

spike

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If we pay for one, we must pay for all.

Sounds good.

Private institutions being forced to provide uncompensated care have two options:
Overcharge the payng customers to make up for lost revenue(current dilemma)
or
Go out of business (see shrinking ER's across the US) (also current dilemma).

So now they can be compensated bcausde veryone will have some type of insurance. Beautiful.

All our curent problems come from government intervention. Why give them the reign to the whole thing?

No most of our current problems come from a lack of government intervention and the for-profit nature of the system. (watch that vid).
 

Gonz

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I, under no condition, find it acceptable to allow federal government full & complete access to the American healthcare system.

You do.

End of discussion.
 

spike

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Ah, but providing a public option for everyone doesn't do that. Single payer wouldn't even do that.
 

spike

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Sure it can. You're objection is that if we pay for one we must pay for all? That's not true we already provide for those who need it or specific groups. See public assistance, unemployment, VA hospitals, Medicare, Medicaid.

Secondly providing access to health care does not demand that you allow federal government full & complete access to the American healthcare system.

Even single payer which could pay for all doesn't have to do that.
 

Frodo

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The first step towards improving people's health has gotta be them having access to health care and the medicine they need in the first place.

You seem to have confused access to a waiting list with access to care. Here is a question: If it is such a good plan, why don't the people writing it want to be on it?

I wonder why the only solution to any problem for the left involves empowering the government over its citizens? Lack of imagination?
 

Gonz

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See public assistance, unemployment, Medicare, Medicaid.

Then let's do away with them all. They are above & beyond the authority of the federal government. A good lawyer, hired by one who has been denied coverage unser the appropriate legislation could set it back. However, it'd be hard to find someone that is willing to challenge the system who is actually harmed by the system. Same goes for lawyers. Not many would atempt to overthrow a money pit.
 

spike

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You seem to have confused access to a waiting list with access to care.

I guess you don't have much info on the bill yet. It doesn't involve different care it involves paying for the same care with an alternative to private insurance.

That's ok, just come back when you get up to speed.
 
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