Health Care

Discussion in 'The Real World' started by catocom, Jul 15, 2009.

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  1. catocom

    catocom Well-Known Member

    So, if we can't afford it, Borrow more?
    I think not.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...n-web-bureaucracy-democrats-health-care-plan/


    Where does the 'borrowing' end?
     
  2. catocom

    catocom Well-Known Member

    no mr. pres., wanting 'a different path' to fixed the problems does not equal 'wanting the status quo'.


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/15/obama-accuses-health-care-critics-defending-status-quo/
     
  3. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    Government estimates needs to be, traditionally, tripled, to get a more realistic estimate.

    Anybody wanna bet that nobody reads this bill either?
     
  4. Altron

    Altron Well-Known Member

    If by 'status quo' he means housing market growing, 5% unemployment, and the Dow Jones at 14,000 - aka last year - then I don't see what was wrong with that. I liked that status quo a lot more than it is now.
     
  5. Gonz

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  7. spike

    spike New Member

    Last year shit was headed downhill fast as hell. Shit is leveling off a bit now.
     
  8. Altron

    Altron Well-Known Member

    I'm concerned with overexertion. Right now, I would say the economy is priority number 1 for federal money and focus. Is a huge tax on the wealthy the best thing for this country now? Absolutely not, we all know that deficit spending and tax cuts will encourage business growth. So that means this federal healthcare is someone's pet project that they want to get pushed through Congress quickly. Same thing with "climate change" (funny how Global Warming became Climate Change almost overnight, isn't it?). Argue back and forth all you want, but mandating hybrid cars (which require huge amounts of Lithium, most of which comes from some South American country with a dictator) and other goofy environmental regulations is not exactly going to jump-start business.

    We're driving along the highway, and the engine stalled, but we put it in neutral and now we're coasting. Are we gonna try to run the starter, or are we going to look out the windows, adjust the radio, and put the A/C on? Prioritize. Can ending the recession wait? No. Can changing the climate, and socializing healthcare? Yup.
     
  9. spike

    spike New Member

    Actually fixing healthcare could be a giant help to the economy and addressing global warming needs to be done and could create a lot of new jobs.

    So really they should be addressed asap.
     
  10. Frodo

    Frodo Member

    Create jobs in a Stimulus Bull kind of way?
     
  11. Frodo

    Frodo Member

    Sort of like how the Titanic leveled off? Nice save....NOT!!
     
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  12. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    Well, yea.

    source
     
  13. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    Government health care will kill private insurance, no matter what President Obama says about keeping yours if you like it.
    just 16 pages into the 1000+ page bill
     
  14. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    The cost, an indicator

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    NY Post
     
  15. Mirlyn

    Mirlyn Well-Known Member

    What I think it means is that you cannot change your plan once the bill takes effect and you are mid-period....kind of like insurance is now--have to wait until renewal. I would imagine insurance policies would change their terms to meet the later-mentioned plan requirements to stay listed in the Exchange. They are for-profit, afterall, so I don't think they'll go without a fight. Maybe a gov-levied fine would actually increase business as people are forced into the market for insurance.

    As for the 80k unemployed person getting dinged for 2k for no insurance, I'm required by law to carry auto insurance or get fined...just as much of a crock if you ask me. Just get the insurance and cancel it...works at the DMV, right? :rolleyes:

    Guess I can't see how anyone could sleep at night (or hell, even drive a car) willfully living without insurance (I'm talking by choice, not by those who cannot afford it).

    ...and they should get the hell out of NYC.... :D
     
  16. catocom

    catocom Well-Known Member

    I never had a job, but what I didn't get insurance.
    Of coarse I've always work moderately dangerous jobs.
    Like Mirlyn says, it doesn't make sense, but being forced in a desk job environment....
    I guess it'd depend on the employer, but I've never had one that didn't require it, or either provide it.

    Car ins is different IMO. Driving is usually on Public roads, so...

    The problem is when the Gov gets into the insurance business, and we are getting there quick.
     
  17. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    If you can afford to pay your doctor, why should you be forced to aquire insurance? Just to please some beauracrat. Bullshit.

    That says get in now or forever stay out. Otherwise, a provision would be made for later enrollments.
     
  18. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    This is not for your sake Gonz because I am sure no amount of logic and reason can penetrate....

    A lot of people could afford to pay for their average medical costs out of pocket, but one day they are driving, say in the winter with the whole family in the car. The car hits an icy patch and goes out of control and down an embankment, and you, your two urchins and the wife are all hurt very badly. You only have liability car insurance!!! If you figure that going to an ER for dehydration is about a $500 bill, I dare not dream of what four very seriously injured people, ER and trauma care through discharge will be. This is all care that the hospital HAS to provide regardless of your inability to pay. Suffice to say $10K is probably insanely conservative, probably much more like 50-500K. Well guess what? If you were to pay it, you could sell your house, your cars, all that you own and still have a bill owing. Nobody can live without a house though, and you have to have a car to get to work when you recover.

    Long story short, more often than not, folks in such situations either file bankruptcy, or can't or don't pay and get thrown in collections. Nobody plans an accident. The icy patch wasn't insured....Hell its tight times for most folks, and if it isn't for you, you goddamn well ought to feel blessed.

    The bottom line though, is all those unpaid medical bills get passed on to you the next time and everybody else! If people don't have to have it, they often won't. That is why car insurance was made mandatory, and that is why there is a lot of sound logic to extend that to the health care industry.

    Hopefully this simple dose of logic didn't fry anyone's mind. I know thinking things all the way through and considering the bigger picture is nearly impossible for hardcore conservatives, but I am sure you are immune from caring anyway.
     
  19. Gonz

    Gonz molṑn labé Staff Member

    Mr Fixit to the rescue:

    Pay for your "daily" medical bills with cash.
    Buy a catastrophic policy, far less expensive (since it isn't required to pay for the pill & a shrink because your mommy didn't love you enough).
    Why do you think you purchase a home? It's to be an ASSET in case of catastrophy. You needn't buy a home when renting in available.
    We have high medical bills. They get paid, right along with everything else. Wanna know why? Because it's not your responsibility to pay my bills.

     
  20. randomJACKASS

    randomJACKASS Banned

    And you TOTALLY IGNORE the FACT, that all of what I posted above still costs you personally, money, because the rest of the world isn't as perfact as Gonz and those silly bastards just won't behave!
     
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