Too bad, so sad

2minkey

2minkey

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strangely, the numerous folks i've known named levin were pretty smart. well, guess there's always exceptions.
 
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Virginia Calls Health Bill Unconstitutional, Files Suit

Attorney General: “At no time in our history has the government mandated its citizens buy a good or service”

Steve Watson
Prisonplanet.com
Monday, March 22nd, 2010

The State of Virginia has confirmed that it will sue the federal government over the health care reform bill, declaring the legislation unconstitutional and legally conflicting.

The Attorney General of Virginia, Ken Cuccinelli, issued a statement last night, giving notification that the State will file suit as soon as the president signs the bill into law, later this week.

The Richmond Times-Dispatch reports that Cuccinelli is expected to argue that the bill violates the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution:

“At no time in our history has the government mandated its citizens buy a good or service,” Cuccinelli’s statement explained.

“We believe the federal law is unconstitutional as it is based on the commerce clause. Simply put, not buying insurance is not engaging in commerce,” the attorney general added.

“If you are not engaged in commerce, the federal government cannot regulate this inaction. Just being alive is not interstate commerce. If it were, Congress could regulate every aspect of our lives.”[emphasis mine]

The suit will also raise the notion that the legislation creates a legal conflict between the federal government and Virginia, the only State so far that has passed a law ruling that its residents are not mandated to buy health insurance.

The final reform bill mandates that every American must purchase health insurance before 2014 or pay a fine.

On the evening the House passed the reform 219-212, all five Republican representatives in Virginia voted against the bill (Rep. Eric Cantor, Rep. Robert J. Wittman, Rep. J. Randy Forbes, Rep. Robert W. Goodlatte, and Rep. Frank R. Wolfe), along with two Democrats (Rep. Glenn Nye, and Rep. Rick Boucher).

Rep. Eric Cantor described the bill as a “trillion-dollar overhaul” that would reduce freedom of choice, raise taxes, and increase the national debt.

“It’s the latest part of an agenda that is being forced upon the American people that attempts to seize more control over the economy and our lives,” Cantor said on the House floor before the vote.

Watch Cantor’s speech:

Virginia isn’t the only state looking to the courts on this issue. Last week, the State of Idaho passed a measure requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government if residents are forced to buy health insurance.

Similar legislation is also pending in 37 other states.
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Gotholic

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Ron Paul: IRS Will Steal More Money To Fund Health Care

Only thing that will repeal Obamacare will be bankruptcy of the United States, warns Congressman

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, March 22, 2010

Texas Congressman Ron Paul warns that last night’s passage of the health care reform bill will prompt the government to hire thousands of new IRS agents who will be used to steal money from taxpaying Americans to fund the new program.

Paul also told Fox News that the passage of Obamacare will only be repealed once the United States enters bankruptcy as a result of its exploding national deficit and runaway spending.

“Any time a government tries to give you a service or something of substance, they have to steal it from somebody else, so the whole process is immoral because it’s based on government theft, that’s why they’re hiring 16,000 more new IRS agents, because they have to steal more money,” stated the Congressman, referring to an analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee that found “Up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses,” under the health care bill.

Paul said that the passage of Obamacare will precipitate a deepening of the economic crisis that will be “defined by the destruction of the dollar,” meaning government won’t be able to pay for anything.

“You cannot spend this kind of money, borrow this money and create new credit to finance this debt….medical care will get worse and this country will go into bankruptcy,” added Paul.

“This idea of an executive order amending the bill just is such an outrage,” said the Congressman, slamming Obama’s intention to bar federal funding for abortion after the vote as both misplaced and completely unconstitutional.

“To think that we’ve gotten to a point where we allow our presidents just to write an executive order as the law of he land, there’s nothing conceivable about that being Constitutional,” said Paul.

Throughout his campaign, Obama promised not to use executive powers and signing statements to change laws, a principle he has completely abandoned in pursuit of his big government agenda.

Congressman Paul warned that apparent efforts to prevent health care money being used to fund abortions were utterly ineffectual, saying that hospitals and clinics are just going to shift money around to fudge evidence of where the funds are being used.

On the wider argument behind government providing health care, Paul stated, “Central economic planning, if anything the 20th century proves, central economic planning fails, every country in the world today is on the verge of bankruptcy….and we’re marching on to a worldwide economic catastrophe if we’re not careful.”

Watch the clip below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1UI21wL26I
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Winky

Winky

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Government theft

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Mirlyn

Mirlyn

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ResearchMonkey said:
Is there a law that forces you drive? -- its protects those you may harm as you utilized the privilege to drive.

Buy a horse, problem solved. Don't comply with obama-care, the IRS can put your butt in jail.

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What's the difference between having the privilege to healthcare access and the privilege to drive?

I have to pay an annual tax to own a horse, BTW. I don't think I can ride on public roads either.
 
2minkey

2minkey

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Gonz said:
Show me their authority to force me to pay for medical insurance.
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um, i think congress has the power to make laws.

but, um, right, so there should be no laws made, ever. we should never adjust to situations and should live like we're independent agrarians in the late 18th century.
 
ResearchMonkey

ResearchMonkey

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Mirlyn said:
What's the difference between having the privilege to healthcare access and the privilege to drive?
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If by privilege to health care you mean mandated by pain of jail and enforced by the IRS, then we agree health care is privilege. -- slavery is freedom.


Mirlyn said:
I have to pay an annual tax to own a horse, BTW. I don't think I can ride on public roads either.
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Usually that depends on how you're shoe'd, local laws may vary. Gee, what freedoms your local government allows.


2minkey said:
um, i think congress has the power to make laws.
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Constitutional laws with due process, I think I see where you seem to get so confused.


2minkey said:
but, um, right, so there should be no laws made, ever. we should never adjust to situations and should live like we're independent agrarians in the late 18th century.
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Yeah, laws should be more difficult to make, we've made waaaay to many.


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Mirlyn

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Cerise said:
Mandatory auto ins is only there to protect others from the damage you may cause them with your vehicle.
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Required to pay for something I hopefully will not need, and probably couldn't afford if I did and never had it. Just like health insurance.
 
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