another interesting visual...

Winky

Winky

Well-Known Member
Gonz its worse than anyone knows!

The housing market's being falsely propped up.
Government debt is more than 150 trillion.
Real unemployment is north of 17%

and hyper-inflation is gnashing it's teeth waiting to pounce!

Any real recovery won't occur until 2018

This catastrophe has yet to fully unfold.

Bring on WWIII !
 
jimpeel

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
2minkey said:
those numbers don't conflict with the graph, jim. i'm not "arguing" anything here. i asked for debunking of the graph i posted. so far this thread is full of fail.
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The graph only shows the number of jobs that were filled this year. It fails to show the number of jobs which were lost.

If the number of jobs filled is 863,000 but the number of jobs lost is 1,000,000 the job deficit is 137,000.

I will concede that your graph is accurate. Now, please show us the one about how many jobs were lost in that same time frame.

It will look something like THIS
 
ResearchMonkey

ResearchMonkey

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I guess I miss your game here minx.

As unfortunate as it is, I'm a humble ol' inbred. I don't have the economic back ground to fully understand the complexities of the system. I have to rely on what I see around the barbershop and on others who make it their business to know these things.

However, if'n you alls ever be needin' to know how many mules and chickens to be tradin' to get a good hearty wife, just you ask, ya' hear!
 
jimpeel

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
2minkey said:
find it yourself dude. get off that thumb.
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You seem to have this fixation on thumbs.

Here are the numbers which debunk your graph.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_02052010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – JANUARY 2010

The unemployment rate fell from 10.0 to 9.7 percent in January, and nonfarm payroll employment
was essentially unchanged (-20,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment
fell in construction and in transportation and warehousing, while temporary help services and retail trade
added jobs.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_03052010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – FEBRUARY 2010
Nonfarm payroll employment was little changed (-36,000) in February, and the unemployment rate
held at 9.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment fell in construction
and information, while temporary help services added jobs. Severe winter weather in parts of the
country may have affected payroll employment and hours; however, it is not possible to quantify precisely
the net impact of the winter storms on these measures. For more information on the effects of
the severe weather on employment estimates, see the box note at the end of the release.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_04022010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION –MARCH 2010
Nonfarm payroll employment increased by 162,000 in March, and the unemployment rate held at
9.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Temporary help services and health care
continued to add jobs over the month. Employment in federal government also rose, reflecting the hiring
of temporary workers for Census 2010. Employment continued to decline in financial activities and in
information.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_05072010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – APRIL 2010
Nonfarm payroll employment rose by 290,000 in April, the unemployment rate edged up to 9.9 percent,
and the labor force increased sharply, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Job gains
occurred in manufacturing, professional and business services, health care, and leisure and hospitality.
Federal government employment also rose, reflecting continued hiring of temporary workers for Census
2010.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_06042010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION –MAY 2010
Total nonfarm payroll employment grew by 431,000 in May, reflecting the hiring of 411,000
temporary employees to work on Census 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.
Private-sector employment changed little (+41,000). Manufacturing, temporary help services, and
mining added jobs, while construction employment declined. The unemployment rate edged down
to 9.7 percent.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_07022010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – JUNE 2010
Total nonfarm payroll employment declined by 125,000 in June, and the unemployment rate edged
down to 9.5 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The decline in payroll employment
reflected a decrease (-225,000) in the number of temporary employees working on Census 2010.
Private-sector payroll employment edged up by 83,000.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_08062010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – JULY 2010
Total nonfarm payroll employment declined by 131,000 in July, and the unemployment rate was
unchanged at 9.5 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Federal government employment
fell, as 143,000 temporary workers hired for the decennial census completed their work.
Private-sector payroll employment edged up by 71,000.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_09032010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – AUGUST 2010
Nonfarm payroll employment changed little (-54,000) in August, and the unemployment rate was
about unchanged at 9.6 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Government
employment fell, as 114,000 temporary workers hired for the decennial census completed their work.
Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+67,000).

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_10082010.pdf

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION – SEPTEMBER 2010
Nonfarm payroll employment edged down (-95,000) in September, and the unemployment rate was
unchanged at 9.6 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Government employment
declined (-159,000), reflecting both a drop in the number of temporary jobs for Census 2010 and job
losses in local government. Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly
(+64,000).
 
2minkey

2minkey

bootlicker
"Government employment declined (-159,000), reflecting both a drop in the number of temporary jobs for Census 2010 and job losses in local government. Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000)."

so, less government jobs and more private sector jobs - how is that not a good thing?
 
2minkey

2minkey

bootlicker
ResearchMonkey said:
I guess I miss your game here minx.

As unfortunate as it is, I'm a humble ol' inbred. I don't have the economic back ground to fully understand the complexities of the system. I have to rely on what I see around the barbershop and on others who make it their business to know these things.

However, if'n you alls ever be needin' to know how many mules and chickens to be tradin' to get a good hearty wife, just you ask, ya' hear!
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it's easy, okie. you just need to form some kind of coherent story with some numbers to support it. but, at the end of the day, that ain't what you and yer kin do, is it? how about this. just post a silly picture, make assertions of socialism on the part of.... whomever, and... well, you know the drill.
 
jimpeel

jimpeel

Well-Known Member
2minkey said:
"Government employment declined (-159,000), reflecting both a drop in the number of temporary jobs for Census 2010 and job losses in local government. Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000)."

so, less government jobs and more private sector jobs - how is that not a good thing?
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That looks great as long as you ignore this part "Nonfarm payroll employment edged down (-95,000)" as you did.

Up 64,000
Down 95,000
Loss 31,000

That is the part I was speaking of when I asked you to show us the jobs lost. Your chart only shows the jobs gained. If you lose more than you gain then that is a loss.

Run the numbers for the year and see how many jobs were lost as opposed to the number gained.

Yes, your chart is an interesting visual, and I have already conceded to its accuracy, but the number of jobs lost still exceeds the number gained.

Look at Chart 2 in the September Employment Situation. HERE

Chart 1 is not very refreshing either.

The other part you chose to ignore was this:

"Government employment declined (-159,000), reflecting both a drop in the number of temporary jobs for Census 2010 and job
losses in local government.
 
catocom

catocom

Well-Known Member
2minkey said:
"Government employment declined (-159,000), reflecting both a drop in the number of temporary jobs for Census 2010 and job losses in local government. Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+64,000)."

so, less government jobs and more private sector jobs - how is that not a good thing?
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" Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly "

Is that the 'product', or just the new jobs created?
 
2minkey

2minkey

bootlicker
dayum you guys are sharp.

Nonfarm payroll employment edged down (-95,000) in September, and the unemployment rate was
unchanged at 9.6 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Government employment
declined (-159,000), reflecting both a drop in the number of temporary jobs for Census 2010 and job
losses in local government. Private-sector payroll employment continued to trend up modestly
(+64,000).

one fifty-nine minus sixty four equals...

what's this 31 shit?
 
catocom

catocom

Well-Known Member
you guys?

me? I have neither confirmed or denied any numbers at all.
Just asking questions. Because I don't trust 'simple' stats.
There's too much to spin without a good break down.
 
2minkey

2minkey

bootlicker
catocom said:
you guys?

me? I have neither confirmed or denied any numbers at all.
Just asking questions. Because I don't trust 'simple' stats.
There's too much to spin without a good break down.
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There's too much to spin without a good break down.
now, there's that fag talk again. (ha ha)

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oh yes, the spin. spin spin spin. it's everywhere. there's a spirit in that tree stump, too. would you know what to do with a good breakdown? do you want the raw numbers in an excel file so you can run your own stats?
 
V

valkyrie

Well-Known Member
Gonz said:
Private employers have added blah blah blah since balh blah date.

Fair enough.

How many have been removed from their positions in that same time period?

Saved or created job is an Obama wet dream & nothing more.
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Governments do not create the bulk of jobs in this country, private companies do and they aren't going to do that because none of them want to stick their necks out for the long haul. This means that employees (and the unemployed) will not spend, which means companies don't make profits, which means companies won't hire more people. It's a bad cycle that can only be broken if companies start hiring more people and take the risk.
 
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