Canada's gun control costs

Jeslek

Banned
It seems the Auditor General is rather mad at the federal government... Basically, what should have been a 119 million dollar program (117 million from registration fees, 2 million from the tax payers), is now almost 1 billion dollars and registration fees are only going to cover 140 million... :eek: In addition, it seems that a number of provinces refused to comply with the feds, so the feds had to carry the burdern. At least this program is battling the healthcare system for money. Maybe they could take all the money that needs to go into guncontrol, scrap the program, and direct it towards healthcare because we must insure we have a good public healthcare system and it could use another billion dollars :)

SOURCE: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200212\FOR20021204f.html

(CNSNews.com) - In an annual report on federal spending, Canada's auditor general said the country's controversial gun control program will likely cost taxpayers more than $1 billion by 2005, when the program is expected to be fully up and running. That's more more than 10 times the amount the liberal Chretien government originally planned to spend on it.

Auditor General Sheila Fraser was quoted as calling the $1 billion estimate an "astronomical cost overrun" from the original price tag.

When the gun registration law was passed in 1995, the government estimated that the program would cost $119 million. Gun registration fees were expected to bring in $117 million, with taxpayers picking up $2 million.

The latest estimates say that by 2005, the costs associated with gun registration will actually cost $1 billion and that registration fees will raise only $140 million of that amount. That means the program will end up costing taxpayers $860 million, according to the auditor-general's report.

Fraser said while the overrun is serious, the fact that Canada's Parliament was not informed of it is "far worse."

Canada's Justice Ministry, according Fraser, acknowledged that the gun control system posed "a significant logistical, technical, and management challenge."

It blamed the ballooning costs on changes to the initial program. For example, a number of provinces, including Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, British Columbia, the Northwest Territories and the Inuit homeland of Nunavut, refused to administer the program, shifting their portion of the financial burden to the federal government. Noncompliance may also be an issue, as outraged gun owners refused to pony up the registration costs, preferring civil disobedience instead.

Canada's Minister of Justice Martin Cauchon said the government accepts responsibility for the cost overruns but is now more interested in making the program work.

Cauchon denied that the government deliberately concealed figures that would make the controversial program look bad. He said there was no wrongdoing and he noted that the cost overrun had been reported internally. But he promised to provide those kinds of numbers to Parliament in the future.

Fraser, in her report, recommended that the Justice Department clean up its act by providing complete and accurate information on the program to Parliament annually.

Even Fraser's auditing staff couldn't penetrate the incomplete and confusing data the Justice Department supplied about the gun registry, Fraser said. "I question why the department continued to watch the costs escalate without informing Parliament and without considering the alternatives," Fraser wrote.

Gun registration was introduced by then-Justice Department Minister Allan Rock in 1995 to help stem gun violence. It was passed partly in response to the 1989 murder of 14 young women at the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal. The law expanded Canada's gun controls to include rifles and shotguns, all of which must be registered with the Canadian government by Jan. 1, 2003. Handgun ownership already is restricted in Canada.

Saskatchewan Parliament Member Garry Breitkreuz said the Canadian government should scrap the registry program. "How long are you going to pour money down this black hole?" he asked. "We could have bought 238 MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging machines) for the cost of what we spent on this."

Even Wendy Cukier, the president of Canada's Coalition for Gun Control, did not defend the high costs of the program, but nevertheless, she insisted that gun registration is still needed. "Given that we are located next to a country with almost as many guns as people and no effective gun control, we must continue to focus on measures to counter the global illicit trade," she said.

But the pro-gun group called "Law-abiding Unregistered Firearms Association" has launched a campaign called "Operation Overload" that urges Canadian gun owners to protest the gun registration program by tying up phone, fax and email lines at the Canadian Firearms Center, which is in charge of registering guns.

"Registration of long rifles and shotguns and the licensing of law-abiding firearm owners will do nothing to enhance the safety of any Canadian citizens," the group said in a statement on its website.

"These concerned, law-abiding Canadians know it is a catastrophic waste of tax dollars that could, with only a little common-sense, be better spent in other areas. The Chretien government refuses to truthfully inform all Canadians of the costs related to this unworkable system."
 

Jeslek

Banned
More gun control news, from California:

A federal appeals in San Francisco has rejected a new Justice Department policy that says the Second Amendment right to own guns applies to individuals, not just state militias. As the Washington Post reported, the 72-page opinion from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco (famous for its Pledge of Allegiance ruling) said Attorney General John Ashcroft's interpretation of the Second Amendment has no legal standing. The case involved California's ban on assault weapons.
So sad. :( Can we please do something about that U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco?
 

Elwood

New Member
No surprise coming from the Nation of California, the original proponents of same sex marriage, among other wondrous abberant legislation.
Weren't they all supposed to slide off into the ocean a few decades ago? Something about the San Andreas faultline....

Maybe if enough of us went to the faultline with some shovels, jackhammers, etc. we could somehow dislodge the whole festering lot of them. Kinda like cutting out a malignant tumor before it can spread and ruin the whole body.
 

freako104

Well-Known Member
i dont see how it doesnt apply to indivdiuals. when it was written they wanted to protect themselves from the British. now we have to protect ourselves and our families. the assault weapons i can see but shouldnt handguns be legal for protection? and can soemone maybe clear this up but is it written for individuals as i was taught or only to police and militia?
 

Elwood

New Member
The spirit in which the 2nd amendment was written applies to every single citizen of the United States. It is there primarily to ensure that a tyrannical centralized government could be kept in check by an armed populace. The founding fathers knew too well that the British weren't the only bunch who liked to abuse their power, and this type of abuse wasn't limited to the date on the calendar at the time. Humans are no different now than they were then (and never will change of course), so there is no way that this amendment, and the spirit in which it was written, is outdated, contrary to the misinformation the anit's love to spout endlessly.

Freedom to protect one's life (or the lives of loved ones) is such a fundamental responsibility that to reject the necessity of it's existence is despicable. Only those who don't value either their own or others' lives, failing to realize how precious a gift it is, would be in favor of making such an endeavor all but impossible.

Typically these emotional reactionists eat up all the spoon-fed drivel our media loves to toss around. Such drivel is always one-sided (never a report of guns saving lives, which happens just as frequently in our country as guns taking lives, if not moreso) and usually full of misinformation to boot. Ever wonder why positive information regarding firearms isn't "newsworthy"? Me too.

By the way, technically a weapon cannot be classified as "assault" until it has been used in such a manner. Usually weapons that are gas operated, semi-automatic (or selective-fire), and magazine fed are erroneously referred to as such. In actuality they are inanimate objects, like any other, and can be useful.
 

freako104

Well-Known Member
thank you for clearing that up. in response to your post on how we are no different i would like to quote Johhny the Homocidal Maniac
all perfectly natural to a species that has not risen above our primitive needs.
 

2minkey

bootlicker
i took a canadian shooting about a month ago. i think the 9mm AR that we rented was a little intimidating for her... and i'm not sure she was thrilled when i indicated to the clerk that i didn't need operating instructions.
 

highwayman

New Member
Winky said:
he was gunned down with an unregistered firearm, of course

From an asshole that was pissed at another user that kept digging up ancient threads that nobody gives a fuck about....
 
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