CBS Airs Alleged GIs Abuse of Iraqis

MrBishop

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NEW YORK - [size=-1]One photograph shows Iraqi prisoners, naked except for hoods covering their heads, stacked in a human pyramid, one with a slur written in English on his skin. That and other scenes of humiliation at the hands of U.S. military police that appear in photographs obtained by CBS News have led to criminal charges against six American soldiers [/size]

[size=-1]The images were shown Wednesday night on "60 Minutes II." CBS says they were taken late last year at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, where American soldiers were holding hundreds of prisoners captured during the invasion and occupation of Iraq (news - web sites). At least one of the six is also a prison guard in civilian life. In March, the U.S. Army announced that six members of the 800th Military Police Brigade faced court martial for allegedly abusing about 20 prisoners at Abu Ghraib. The charges included dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts with another person. [/size]

[size=-1]In addition to those criminal charges, the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison, including Brig. Gen. Janice Karpinski, the commander of the 800th Brigade, a senior military official said Wednesday in Baghdad. The investigation recommended administrative action against several of the commanders, which could include punishments up to relieving them of their commands, said the official, speaking on condition on anonymity. When the abuse charges were first announced, U.S. military officials declined to provide details about the evidence. But on Wednesday, at a news briefing in Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the investigation began in January when an American soldier reported the abuse and turned over evidence that included photographs. [/size]

[size=-1]"That soldier said, 'There are some things going on here that I can't live with,'" said Kimmitt, who also confirmed that CBS had obtained the photographs. One picture shows an Iraqi prisoner who was told to stand on a box with his head covered and wires attached to his hands. CBS said the prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted. Other photos showed naked prisoners being forced to simulate sex acts. [/size]

[size=-1]The Army ordered an investigation into the actions of 17 soldiers from the 800th Brigade, which is based in Uniondale, N.Y. Ten were investigated for criminal actions, six of whom were charged in March. The other seven were officers who faced an administrative investigation. Those officers have received copies of the probe and will now have the chance to rebut the claims, with a final decision expected within a month, the senior military official said. In an interview with CBS correspondent Dan Rather, Kimmitt said the photographs were dismaying. [/size]

[size=-1]"We're appalled," Kimmitt said. "These are our fellow soldiers, these are the people we work with every day, they represent us, they wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down." "If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers," Kimmitt said. "60 Minutes II" identified one of the implicated soldiers as Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, who described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison. "We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening," Frederick said. [/size]

[size=-1]Frederick was a corrections officer at the Buckingham Correctional Center in Dillwyn, Va., until he was called up for active duty, said Larry Traylor, spokesman for the Virginia Corrections Department. He is a member of the 372nd Military Police Company based in Cumberland, Md., said Maj. Greg Yesko, public affairs officer for the 99th Regional Readiness Command. The 800th Brigade includes the 372nd Company, Yesko said. [/size]

[size=-1]No phone listing for Frederick could be immediately located. "60 Minutes II" reported Frederick will plead not guilty to charges including maltreatment and assault, claiming the way the Army operated the prison led to the abuse of prisoners. He also said he did not see a copy of the Geneva Convention rules for handling prisoners of war until after he was charged, the show reported. [/size]

[size=-1]The show also quoted from an e-mail which Frederick reportedly sent to his family in which he said of Iraqi prisoners: "We've had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to break; they usually end up breaking within hours." Former Iraqi prisoners told The Associated Press last November of mistreatment in detention, including beatings and punishments that included hours of lying bound in the sun. [/size]

[size=-1]Amnesty International, the London-based human rights group, said in March that many former detainees in Iraq claimed to have been tortured and ill-treated by coalition troops during interrogation. Methods often reported, it said, included prolonged sleep deprivation, beatings, exposure to loud music and prolonged periods of being covered by a hood.
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Simply disgusting treatment far beyond what should be expected by 'prisoners of war'.
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A.B.Normal

New Member
US general suspended over abuse

No guidance

The station spoke to one of the six soldiers charged, Sergeant Chip Frederick - a reservist whose full-time job is as a prison officer in the US state of Virginia.

Sgt Frederick said he and his fellow reservists had never been told how to deal with prisoners, or what lines should not be crossed.

"We had no training whatsoever," he said.

:alienhuh:
 

Professur

Well-Known Member
Bish, think. You come thousands of miles to a country you probably couldn't even find on a map, to liberate people from a oppressive gov't. And not only don't they get down on thier knees and thank you, they don't even want you there. they even have the nerve to fight back, when you're here to save them. Of course you're gonna be pissed. And let's face it. Nothing was done that doesn't happen in most fraternaties, hell even some highschools. I mean, can't they take a joke?
 

Ms Ann Thrope

New Member
He also said he did not see a copy of the Geneva Convention rules for handling prisoners of war until after he was charged, the show reported.

wtf? at that point, why even bother showing him the rules... :disgust2:
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Ms Ann Thrope said:
wtf? at that point, why even bother showing him the rules... :disgust2:

The problem is that they don't call it a war, therefore the Geneva convention don't play into it. It's odd that someone showed him the rules at all.

They were there to "break" the prisoners...that alone is against the Geneva convention... never mind how they broke them.
 

paul_valaru

100% Pure Canadian Beef
It is horrible what they did, but it is the acts of the few, that make the many look bad, and it happens all the time.


Remember the Canadian Airborne, the entire unit was disbanded after similair (but worse) things that they did
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
MrBishop said:
The problem is that they don't call it a war, therefore the Geneva convention don't play into it. It's odd that someone showed him the rules at all.

They were there to "break" the prisoners...that alone is against the Geneva convention... never mind how they broke them.

Wrong, Bish, as usual, when talking about people in the military and our Law of Armed Conflict...

1. They may have thought that's what they were there to do, but, according to all the briefings I sat through, they were supposed to be treated as POW's...and I sat through quite a few. What you had was a bunch of jerks acting like jerks.

2. If they were 'following orders', then how come they got placed under arrest, and tried? How come their commander is getting prosecuted with them?
 

MrBishop

Well-Known Member
Gato_Solo said:
Wrong, Bish, as usual, when talking about people in the military and our Law of Armed Conflict...

1. They may have thought that's what they were there to do, but, according to all the briefings I sat through, they were supposed to be treated as POW's...and I sat through quite a few. What you had was a bunch of jerks acting like jerks.

2. If they were 'following orders', then how come they got placed under arrest, and tried? How come their commander is getting prosecuted with them?

What I'm saying is that the Geneva convention doesn't get into it. It's internal laws, rules, reg... that's fine. They'd mentioned the geneva convention...I don't know why, and I was stating my confusion.

I know that they're getting in trouble, and that there were rules...but they were there to 'break' those soldiers into giving out info. The soldier said so himself
 

Squiggy

ThunderDick
2. If they were 'following orders', then how come they got placed under arrest, and tried? How come their commander is getting prosecuted with them?

Maybe for giving the order?
 

PT

Off 'Motherfuckin' Topic Elite
That was a typo, the commander isn't being charged, at least not yet. Nor are the civilian interrogators who called ahead and told the guards to "prepare" the prisoners for questioning.
 

A.B.Normal

New Member
PuterTutor said:
That was a typo, the commander isn't being charged, at least not yet. Nor are the civilian interrogators who called ahead and told the guards to "prepare" the prisoners for questioning.


From my above link

The army has made no formal charges against her. She is the subject of an investigation that could result in a written reprimand, AFP news agency reported.
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Squiggy said:
Maybe for giving the order?

We have a winner. Squiggy, since you and I are usually on opposite sides, could you explain the LOAC to these gentlemen? I'm pretty sure you remember it. You ain't that old yet. ;)
 

G4

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CBS. The guy was told he´d die electrocuted should he fall down.
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
First let me say that this needs to be investigated & if there are guilty parties, they all need to pay for their crimes.

However;

If CBS, in all it's furor over the mistreatment of POW's, was actually concerned about what the story shows, why then does the text quoted from Bish damn near start with
CBS says they were taken late last year at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad
when it's 30 hours from MAY 1??? Politically convenient? (yes I saw the part about March)
 

Squiggy

ThunderDick
Says the man who keeps screaming that Saddam USED WMDs SO WE KNOW HE HAS THEM...Even though that was in 1983-4....:tardbang:
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
1984???

What happened to 1992? (possibly closer to now but it's too much trouble to fight right now.
 

freako104

Well-Known Member
Gato_Solo said:
Wrong, Bish, as usual, when talking about people in the military and our Law of Armed Conflict...

1. They may have thought that's what they were there to do, but, according to all the briefings I sat through, they were supposed to be treated as POW's...and I sat through quite a few. What you had was a bunch of jerks acting like jerks.

2. If they were 'following orders', then how come they got placed under arrest, and tried? How come their commander is getting prosecuted with them?


probably for either giving the order or not stopping them.


and if he gave the order cant they refuse to follow the order?
 

PT

Off 'Motherfuckin' Topic Elite
freako104 said:
probably for either giving the order or not stopping them.


and if he gave the order cant they refuse to follow the order?

First of all, he was a she. Brig. Gen. Janice Karpinski. Second, No, if a Brig. General gives you an order, you damn well better follow it or be prepared to leave the military.
 

freako104

Well-Known Member
sorry bout the mistake.




now if the order is against the GC you still have to follow it? damn. but thanks for the explanation
 
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