LUIS!
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AlladinSane
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Being an optimist I can't avoid thinking it will come the day when capitalism will not be adequate to the humankind as a whole. I refuse to see a political system based on a moral defect(greed) as perfect.
AlladinSane
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Feudalism worked fine for much more than 200 years. I'm sure the milions living in multimillion slums in Rio/São Paulo agrees with youLastLegionary said:Oh we've been going on for 200+ years now. I think its doing pretty good. You go back to your shared community housing, I will live in my multimillion dollar houses.Luis G said:
Jeslek
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You made an argument for feudalism though, and I replied to that argument, so we have dismissed feudalism as a valid social structure. That leaves capitalism again with the record 200+ years of prosperity. Now where does heavy socialism aka communism leave us? Hm lets see, Red China, USSR, east block. People die of starvation, don't own luxuries, etc. Nah, I'd rather have my mansion and 3 Corvettes thanks.Luis G said:
ris
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please desist ascribing socialism and communism as the same. there is clear difference between them and if you are incapable of making that distinction i think it better you do not comment on it at all.
luis - i think you've got your wires crossed mate, i don't think that feudalism and socialism were being compared, rather it was used as an example of past systems.
luis - i think you've got your wires crossed mate, i don't think that feudalism and socialism were being compared, rather it was used as an example of past systems.
Jeslek
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It lasted longer, but it provided nothing for society in terms of higher standards of living. Therefore this system, while it lasts longer, is useless. Capitalism lasts long AND it provides a LOT to the common people. Advanced socialism lasts hm, 100 years tops and makes the people lazy, sick, poor, and gives them a substandard living condition. Look at the east block and former USSR.Luis G said:
You want to put your faith in a system thats going to collapse every 80 years or so?
AlladinSane
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Do you really ignore that majority of people in the capitalist world is closer to starvation than to the "mansion and 3 corvettes" status? Or you simply pretend to ignore that?LastLegionary said:That leaves capitalism again with the record 200+ years of prosperity. Now where does heavy socialism aka communism leave us? Hm lets see, Red China, USSR, east block. People die of starvation, don't own luxuries, etc. Nah, I'd rather have my mansion and 3 Corvettes thanks.
Jeslek
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The majority of the people in the capitalist world is not close to starvation status. Sorry. Look at the United States and Canada to a lesser extend. For over 200 years we've had relative prosperity. There has been ups and downs, but overall we have a powerful economy and a high standard of living, with the most freedom in the world. The writings are there. Other countries can implement them and guide their government and economy that way. Just read Locke, Hamilton, Jefferson, and so on. They all wrote it down so that everyone can do it. If third world countries choose not to implement it, well thats their loss.AlladinSane said:Do you really ignore that majority of people in the capitalist world is closer to starvation than to the "mansion and 3 corvettes" status? Or you simply pretend to ignore that?LastLegionary said:That leaves capitalism again with the record 200+ years of prosperity. Now where does heavy socialism aka communism leave us? Hm lets see, Red China, USSR, east block. People die of starvation, don't own luxuries, etc. Nah, I'd rather have my mansion and 3 Corvettes thanks.
Yes I'm greedy. I'm a capitalist. I'm willing to work my ass off for money and a high standard of living. Why do you think am I working on Saturday? I want to get ahead. I want more money. I'm greedy. It drives me to work harder and produce more, increasing society as a whole. Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with rewarding hard work? Socialism punishes hard workers. I don't like that because I work hard, in my opinion.
I like capitalism. More opportunities, most freedom, less government, and highest standard of living in the world.
MitchSchaft
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The poorest people in this country have cable TV. How poor is that? We have a lot of socialistic traits, which will be our downfall.
ris
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free market capitalism as advertised by the 'west' is not perfect either. any country that promotes it but does not abide by its rules [steel tarifs on imports, for example], undermines its validity.
don't kid yourself, in every first world country the gap between rich and poor increases every year. wealth becomes stagnant, it is handed down and hoarded.
don't kid yourself, in every first world country the gap between rich and poor increases every year. wealth becomes stagnant, it is handed down and hoarded.
MitchSchaft
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Our government does have a problem of following our founding rules. Take a look at the Patriot Act. A lot of unconstitutional stuff in there. If they would just follow the damn rules and stop lying to everybody we would be a lot better off.