Oh those progressive Liberals!

Winky

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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A hospital in the Netherlands — the first nation to permit euthanasia — recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures, which include administering a lethal dose of sedatives.

"a legal framework for permitting
doctors to actively end the life of newborns..."

Hmm yeah just who makes the decision.
The story make absolutely NO mention of the parents having a say?

Link
 

freako104

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though I am pro choice and for euthanasia, I think the parents should be the ones to have the say
 

Professur

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It's here. Post-natal abortions. Enjoy.


And my whatever diety you believe in have mercy on your soul.
 

MrBishop

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Professur said:
It's here. Post-natal abortions. Enjoy.


And my whatever diety you believe in have mercy on your soul.
mercy killings of terminally ill newborns

So..you believe in letting the little babies suffer in pain until they die? Their short lives filled not with peace and the love fo life, but with pain and the company of doctors and machines that go Hmmmmmmmmm trying desperately to keep them alive and suffering for yet another day?

Nice!
 

Gonz

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I was on my way to post this very story. The logical next step for the progressives. First abortion, then euthanasia of the infirmed...now, post birth abortions. We've come a long way baby. Didn't the right wing religious nuts predict this?

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A hospital in the Netherlands — the first nation to permit euthanasia — recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures, which include administering a lethal dose of sedatives.

The announcement by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives — a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates.

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Leslie

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So a dog can be mercifully "put to sleep" to end suffering he doesn't understand...but an infant...has to suffer through it for no reason whatsoever but for...cause...why?

Dogs are more valuable? Horses? Maybe more sensitive? ???
 

Gonz

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Abortion is a right.
Euthanasia is a right.
Murdering those incapable of decision is a right.

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Winky

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The issue is who decides?

Allowing the 'State' the right to decide who lives
and who dies is the slippery slope we don't want to
slide down. Hitler thought the State should decide
who was fit to live and had a solution for those that
he deemed unfit for life.

I can't believe that the families aren't in charge of whether or not their babies should be "put down"! I have read elsewhere that the State is in charge over there of who gets whacked.
 

freako104

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Gonz said:
Abortion is a right.
Euthanasia is a right.
Murdering those incapable of decision is a right.

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I agree with the first 2 statements. not the third



edit: Like the shirt.
 

Winky

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People who are HIV positive are going to die.
HIV positive people place an unnecessary burden on the socialized medical infrastructure. (they are going to die anyway)
HIV positive people pose a danger to the population at large because they are THE source of the infection.


ergo euthanize all HIV positive people
 

Gonz

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Wait now. Those people aren't under great duress when they claim they wish to live Winky. They have 100% of their faculties & can decide for themselves. Remember how well they decided with the whole condom thing in the first place ;)


A Dutch after hours partyy gone awry
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Winky

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Is it really a quantum leap in a socialist (i.e. communist) society? I still can't fathom the reports I've read over the years that the fate of people that are to be euthanized in these countries are in the hands of the quote unquote 'doctors' read "State" and not the families but then why does what the Libbies do still shock me anymore anyway?!?

See that’s the game. One day it’s one thing the next it’s another, soon you are accepting things that would have caused rioting in the streets as though it’s no big deal.
 

tank girl

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All very well for the point that a child is incapable of making a decision, but it works both ways, doesn't it? - the child no more has a choice over whether or not to live as well as die.

I'm sure such a decision would not be taken lightly - I mean, who in their right mind would take a childs life so easily if there were any hope at all for a painless survival? Wouldn't the parents as well as the medical team naturally want to do everything that is possible for the childs sake?

Really, if you were faced with your infant that was suffering from irreversable
B]brain damage from bleeding and convulsions;[/B] and diseases where a child could only survive on life support for the rest of its life, such as severe cases of spina bifida and epidermosis bullosa, a rare blistering illness.
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Wouldn't you at least want to know that you had the option, the right to decide what was best for your child - and know that it is possible to mercifully stop the agony and prolonged suffering that your infant is incapable of comprehending or escaping. Prolonging the suffering of an infant where there is the option of not having to, and opting for the paternalistic judgement that the infant "has a right to life" above all else - seems to me as just another form of socialised torture. Because after all, doesn't every human being have a right to be free from suffering?Article 5 of the human rights act does say that "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."


I could not imagine any sentence worse than watching your own infant suffer in a prolonged death and not having any choice over being able to end that suffering peacefully. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs - but I don't think this should be imposed on another individuals ability to decide what is best.

if everyone shared the same religious or conservative ethical ideals and cast a eye away from euthanasia then the stance towards this would obviously be no due to the conflict in belief. But the fact is; not everyone shares the same belief and it just seems an extremely thwarted viewpoint to want to impose your own personal ideological beliefs in analysing a situation that occurs in many different contexts to many different people. In my opinion this sort of belief is precisely the ideologies of the government and the church deadset on securing a form of institutionalised facism through the control of what should be a personal right. It is precisely this type of control which is the architecture constructed around us to prevent us from seeing where we really are being denied individual rights. It is precisely this type of state-(with religous undertones)-sanctioned control over personal choice that should really be up to the individual and the medical proffesional in determining the safest and more agreeable outcome for the child.

Infanticide has been accepted in societies since the begining of time and only recent history has seen it as morally repugnant. In ancient Rome or greece, deformed or sick infants were rejected quite freely and left out on the rocks to die by exposure. Other roman methods were to smear opium on the breast and let the child suck it to die a more peaceful drug induced death. Surely society and progress today has come so far as to be enable us to see beyond and free ourselves from certain restrictive morals and values and controls so as to be able to allow an individual right - despite what various doctines say - allowing the freedom of choice - of being able to opt for a humane and legal death rather than be forced to prolong unneccesarily physical and mental anguish.

I think this is a step in the right direction, however I agree that this sort of thing also risks a degree of legalised infanticide - but in the case of
B]brain damage from bleeding and convulsions;[/B] and diseases where a child could only survive on life support for the rest of its life, such as severe cases of spina bifida and epidermosis bullosa, a rare blistering illness.
[/QUOTE] And with consent of parents and the care of a proffesional medical team, I don't see anything wrong with choosing a humane option in order to prevent unnecessary suffering. Consequently; it is the state/religious values that stack against "all odds" and easily dismiss this type of situation on "moral" or "ethical" grounds that should come under scrutiny NOT the progressive measure of a country that is far ahead and far more in touch with reality, not to mention the people than most others in the western world.
 

freako104

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Winky said:
People who are HIV positive are going to die.
HIV positive people place an unnecessary burden on the socialized medical infrastructure. (they are going to die anyway)
HIV positive people pose a danger to the population at large because they are THE source of the infection.


ergo euthanize all HIV positive people



what if they do not want to be? What if they want to live their life out?
 
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