Things you won't hear in the U.S.

jimpeel

jimpeel

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http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2007/cyb20071130.asp#5

As Iraq Improves, Survey Shows Journalists
Continue to Despair

Are U.S. journalists missing the news right in front of their eyes? Even as the violence ebbs and Iraqi refugees are returning home by the thousands, a new survey of Iraq war correspondents finds most are still deeply pessimistic about conditions in Iraq, with one in six (15%) saying that they believe news coverage "makes the situation look better than it is," compared to just three percent who think news reports have been inordinately negative.

The poll of 111 U.S.-based journalists who are now covering the Iraq war or who have been posted there over the past four-and-a-half years was conducted over the past several weeks by the Pew-funded Project for Excellence in Journalism, which promises to release a content analysis of the media's Iraq war coverage later in the year.

[This item, by Rich Noyes, was posted Thursday on the MRC's blog, NewsBusters.org: newsbusters.org ]

A similar poll of 72 journalists, conducted back in 2005 by the Pew Research Center for The People & The Press, also found that reporters were far more pessimistic than the public. Then, few correspondents (just 28%) thought the decision to invade Iraq was correct, and most thought the war would be harmful to the overall war on terrorism (68%) and that the effort to build a stable, democratic Iraq would fail (63%). See: www.mrc.org

Such pessimism about the course of the war matches what network reporters have said on TV. Back in March of 2006, NBC's Richard Engel argued on the Today show that "most Iraqis I speak to say, actually, most reporters get it wrong. It's, the situation on the ground is actually worse than the images we project on television." See: www.mrc.org

And just last month, as U.S. and Iraqi casualties were falling dramatically, CBS's Lara Logan (whose frequent coverage of the Iraq war means she fits the group of reporters the researchers sought to contact) opined on NBC's Tonight Show that the war was going "extremely badly, from my point of view." Reality, she asserted, was "much worse than the picture, the image we even have of Iraq." For more, including video of her comments, check the October 16 CyberAlert: www.mrc.org

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For the findings in full: www.journalism.org
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jimpeel

jimpeel

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Gato_Solo said:
Perhaps he needs to read this. It looks good until the final two sentences. Gotta have the pessimism, I guess...
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Again, where could you find that story in an American media outlet? You had to go to a foreign source to find it. Thus the thread premise is once again realized.
 
Gonz

Gonz

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Speaking of leaving the country to find info...where's the coverage that Paris is Burning, again?
 
2minkey

2minkey

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Gonz said:
Oh stop. You know damned well that good news in Iraq is bad news for the left.
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but that's fairly irrelevant to what i meant. same old shit = boring. you can only watch jerry springer so many times.

REAL good new in iraq is good for everybody, anyway.

but it's just pathetic when...
a) media dipshits report that things are going bad because is gives them some kinda smug moral satisfaction, and
b) guffawing jackasses act like we're somehow "winning" in a substantial sense, because, at a particular and possibly trancient moment, things seem like they might be going a bit better and in turn continue to support...
c) a fiscal loser that's costing ME a lot more in taxes than it's costing those guffawing jackasses.

in short, fuck everybody, and get out of my wallet.
 
Gonz

Gonz

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2minkey said:
bit better and in turn continue to support...
c) a fiscal loser that's costing ME a lot more in taxes than it's costing those guffawing jackasses.

in short, fuck everybody, and get out of my wallet.
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Just wait until the other side really bends you over.
 
jimpeel

jimpeel

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Gonz said:
Just wait until the other side really bends you over.
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I guess he has yet to hear any of Hillary's speeches on how she will raise taxes if elected. Those who think that they will stick it to the rich and big business are so misbegotten. They never realize that those people simply pass those higher taxes on to their customers.
 
jimpeel

jimpeel

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paul_valaru said:
Things you won't here in the US...

I see your point, but must politely disagree (so it seems)
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The premise has been proven several times over as posters have posted articles in the foreign press which are not to be found in the American press. I even posted an admission, in their own voice HERE, by journalists who say that good news is not what they believe to be interesting news.

From the transcript:

KURTZ: Joining us now to put this into perspective, Robin Wright, who covers national security for The Washington Post. And CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr.

Robin Wright, should that decline in Iraq casualties have gotten more media attention?

ROBIN WRIGHT, THE WASHINGTON POST: Not necessarily. The fact is we're at the beginning of a trend -- and it's not even sure that it is a trend yet. There is also an enormous dispute over how to count the numbers. There are different kinds of deaths in Iraq.
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spike

spike

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jimpeel said:
The premise has been proven several times over as posters have posted articles in the foreign press which are not to be found in the American press.
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Nope, you've been disproven several times as the news is available from the American press. Go ahead and point out any information that's not.


journalists who say that good news is not what they believe to be interesting news.
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Hey have you ever actually watched the news? They will always lead off with stories about the shooter in Omaha instead of local girl wins spelling bee.

Good news can be lead stories too if it's dramatic (clerk saves 5 lives in raging fire) or involves celebrities acting up. C'mon Jim.
 
ResearchMonkey

ResearchMonkey

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spike said:
Nope, you've been disproven several times as the news is available from the American press. Go ahead and point out any information that's not.

Hey have you ever actually watched the news? They will always lead off with stories about the shooter in Omaha instead of local girl wins spelling bee.
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You are funny, OK, the internet, available, to most, everywhere, all the time, everyday, and night, so, by your notion, everyone, has all the news, everyday, all the time, reguardless of outlet.

great, BUT, the common news sources for the vast majority of people in the United States is large media giants and local affiliated news outlets. Same for print and internet.

So in the relm of the common person, they get their news from a familiar source they return to daily, 'their news cycle' so to speak.

Lemmie 'splain it too ya'

EVERYONE has access to the Natl'l archives, but in reality most people do not have the time or money to access the full scope of the archives. Sure you can go online get lots of information, but thats only the tip of whats actually available. Online you can 'ORDER' more information, pay for it, and wait for it, review it, and maybe find what your looking for.

So while your 'PROOF' looks good on paper, in reality, ...it don't count for shit! Like socialism and communism, ...great on paper, but it just doesn't ever work out ... the 'human factor' is commonly overlooked.

Truth is, in reality, the way it really works, in general, for the majority, a very small percentage of sources feed the large majority of common folk.

And reguardless what your propaganda states as legitamate, common sense dictates the MSM is biased to the left. ...and let me tell you whats really funny about that. As people are waking up and discovering this common sense reality, they are moving to Fox News for a fair and balanced report.

:rofl:



Me personally, I have LOTS of TV's and video equipment, hell I can actually broadcast if I dared (long story) ...what I don't have is cable, we shut that crap off. I have a UHF Hi-gain antennae, but we never push that button, three years now.






...almost forgot - "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of Elderberries"
 
spike

spike

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ResearchMonkey said:
You are funny, OK, the internet, available, to most, everywhere, all the time, everyday, and night, so, by your notion, everyone, has all the news, everyday, all the time, reguardless of outlet.
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Where did I say that?

So while your 'PROOF' looks good on paper, in reality, ...it don't count for shit!
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Which proof were you referring to?

And reguardless what your propaganda states as legitamate, common sense dictates the MSM is biased to the left.
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No, that's what your propaganda says.

...and let me tell you whats really funny about that. As people are waking up and discovering this common sense reality, they are moving to Fox News for a fair and balanced report.
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Do you have information to back up that statement? Everything I'm seeing would indicate you made it up. Did you just state something you wish were true as if it was fact?

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6346894.html

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/aug_s_total_viewers_vs_aug_2005_42895.asp

:rofl:
 
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