What are the Russians learning from Iraq?

Ardsgaine

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The Elite's Feeling the Heat
Thursday, Apr. 10, 2003. Page 9
By Pavel Felgenhauer

As the war in Iraq winds to its inevitable end, uneasy reflections are taking over Russia's political and military elite. No one in Moscow ever seriously believed that Saddam Hussein might indeed "defeat" the allied forces. But the speed and decisiveness of the offensive has bewildered many.

Russian generals were expecting another prolonged so-called non-contact war, like the one against Yugoslavia in 1999, in Afghanistan in 2001 or the first gulf war in 1991, when a four-day ground offensive was preceded by a 39-day air bombardment. It was believed that the Americans were afraid of close hand-to-hand encounters, they would not tolerate the inevitable casualties, and that in the final analysis they were cowards who relied on technical superiority.

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Ardsgaine

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This is the part of the story that amazed me the most:

Ivanov also announced that the Defense Ministry was attentively studying the war in order to learn how to build a stronger Russian army.

It seems that up to now the result of the study has been negative. It would appear that Russian generals and Ivanov assume it's the Americans that should be learning from them how to flatten cities -- the way our military destroyed the Chechen capital, Grozny.

Many Russian generals truly believe that a bombing campaign that leaves some buildings still standing is ineffective. Precision-guided munitions are widely considered to be costly pranks -- not real weapons. In Chechnya, we tried to use some of these gadgets, but they did not work, as most Russian officers and men have not been trained in how to use the limited number of modern weapons our military inherited from the Soviet armed forces.

The worst possible outcome of the war in Iraq for the Russian military is a swift allied victory with relatively low casualties. Already many in Russia are beginning to ask why our forces are so ineffective compared to the Brits and Americans; and why the two battles to take Grozny in 1995 and 2000 each took more than a month to complete, with more that 5,000 Russian soldiers killed and tens of thousands wounded in both engagements, given that Grozny is one tenth the size of Baghdad.

The Russian army SUCKS!
 

chcr

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If it’s stupid, but it works; it isn’t stupid.
My son has always felt this way, now that he is in the Air Force, he's surrounded by people who agree with him.
 

Gonz

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Many Russian generals truly believe that a bombing campaign that leaves some buildings still standing is ineffective. Precision-guided munitions are widely considered to be costly pranks -- not real weapons.

That's why we're liberators & successful & you are bad guys in black hats. :finger:
 

Gonz

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Ardsgaine said:
What are the Russians learning from Iraq?

To cover their tracks better?

Top secret documents obtained by The Telegraph in Baghdad show that Russia provided Saddam Hussein's regime with wide-ranging assistance in the months leading up to the war, including intelligence on private conversations between Tony Blair and other Western leaders.

Moscow also provided Saddam with lists of assassins available for "hits" in the West and details of arms deals to neighbouring countries. The two countries also signed agreements to share intelligence, help each other to "obtain" visas for agents to go to other countries and to exchange information on the activities of Osama bin Laden, the al-Qa'eda leader.

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Ardsgaine

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Gonz said:
That's why we're liberators & successful & you are bad guys in black hats.

It occurs to me that it might be the other way around. The reason they have to carpet bomb is because they are not liberators, and everyone knows they're not. The fact that we don't have to carpet bomb gives you an indication that there is a disconnect between what people say about the US, and what they know about the US. Why would Saddam try to use civilian casualties as propaganda against us if he didn't know that we care about the deaths of innocents? Even he knows who the good guys are...
 
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