Why is Bill O'Reilly

[spike]

I replied to what you posted and yet you did not reply to what I posted. Typical.

"So you're saying if someone beat you up and ass raped you that you would be no more traumatized than if you were just beat up?

And also if your wife or daughter were raped (possibly getting pregnant) you would say "hey, shrug it off. Think of it as about equal to getting punched in the face". You would then encourage them to pursue no more than a simple assault charge."

 

[randomJACKASS]

OK prof I will give you this, and this only. If a woman gets raped because she was hanging out at, say a biker bar, then she owns some responsibility for a bad choice, and would be served to make a better decision in the future, but even so she bears ZERO responsibility for the rape, only for keeping bad company.

 

[H2O boy]

OK prof I will give you this, and this only. If a woman gets raped because she was hanging out at, say a biker bar, then she owns some responsibility for a bad choice,

profiling! stereotyping!

i am afraid i will require some credible links to actual studies that prove people who ride motorcycles AND drink in bars have a higher incidence of rape convictions than those who do neither or only one of the two. i will expect that on my desk no later than monday morning. penmanship counts

 

[2minkey]

but they weren't BORN as bikers.

(though some of 'em would dispute that.)

 

[catocom]

the thing about profiling, and to a greater degree stereotyping, is the
risk of underestimation.

IMO profiling has a place, but one must be very careful with it. It can be dangerous.

 

[MrBishop]

Once more rape and sexual assault get mixed up and misinterpreted.
Colour me surprised...not.

 

[MrBishop]

Strange example you choose, since I've often used the term 'rape' to describe the feeling I get having to pay what I do in license and registration fees ... particularly given that 'freedom of travel' is one of the cornerstones of the bill of rights (right up there with personal security (the right not to be raped)).


But more seriously, and do at least think through the example, how is a rape any more terrible than a violent mugging, with sex? Sex in and of itself isn't a violent act. People get mugged all the time, and while for some it's a terrible trauma, most simply shrug it off and get on with their lives. Indeed, many rapes never get reported because the females treat it exactly as that:non-consensual sex. But the moment the word Rape is used .... the act is treated as one of supreme personal invasion, an act worthy of the death penalty in many people's eyes. And while I'm sure that's the way it should be in a puritanical world, the world's not that puritanical anymore. In a culture where a woman's value is based on her ability to keep her knees shut for anyone 'cept her husband, rape would be the ultimate in loss of personal esteem. But that hardly describes the western world today, wouldn't you agree? Indeed, the trauma (as I see it) seems to centre less on the act of penetration, and more about the lack of choice.

edit: I just noticed one other thing .. the name used .... rape survivors. Isn't survivor a term usually associated with living through an event with a high fatality rate? Last time I looked, neither sex nor rape is all that likely to kill either party.

 

[catocom]

that looks like a '50s jail pick.
where'd you get it?

 

[Cerise]

What is the deal with the male of the species, anyway?

 

[catocom]

hey, we ain't all like that boy that knocked up palin, then got on tyra, after abandoning the faith.

 

[MrBishop]

that looks like a '50s jail pick.
where'd you get it?

Google images - but originally from some rape-crisis centre. Don't quote me on that.

 

[H2O boy]

are those injuries the result of a rape, or of an assault?

rape is a terrible crime and should be punishable by death in my opinion. but that looks more like an assault to me, possibly done in the commission of a rape but an assault nonetheless

 

[MrBishop]

are those injuries the result of a rape, or of an assault?

rape is a terrible crime and should be punishable by death in my opinion. but that looks more like an assault to me, possibly done in the commission of a rape but an assault nonetheless

Ya can't have one without the other...the same way as you can't split the case into one count of assault and one count of sexual assault.

 

[MrBishop]

But more seriously, and do at least think through the example, how is a rape any more terrible than a violent mugging, with sex? Sex in and of itself isn't a violent act.

How is child molestation or child pornography any more terrible than regular adult-consenting sex and regular pornography?

The answer is...what is and is not acceptable by the society where the law is in play - the same as any law.

 

[catocom]

Ya can't have one without the other...the same way as you can't split the case into one count of assault and one count of sexual assault.

I disagree.
It goes one way, but not necessarily back the other way.
You can have an assault without rape.

 

[Inkara1]

That was going to be my point too... it's possible to have assault without rape. In fact, it's more common to have assault without rape.

 

[MrBishop]

I disagree.
It goes one way, but not necessarily back the other way.
You can have an assault without rape.

I was replying to this: assault to me, possibly done in the commission of a rape

Of course you can have assault without rape...but not rape without assault.

 

[valkyrie]

Noun 1. sexual assault - a statutory offense that provides that it is a crime to knowingly cause another person to engage in an unwanted sexual act by force or threat; "most states have replaced the common law definition of rape with statutes defining sexual assault"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+assault

rape n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rape