Without Bush to kick around
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Cerise
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spike
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Way more credible than most of your sources.
Were you trying to say the CNN video is a fake?
Gene Green Town Hall meeting where several rude protesters shouted down decent citizens who came to talk with their representative in congress and voice their opinions in a civil manner. Then Gene Green asks how many are on Medicare... 1/2 of the protesters raise their hands failing to see the irony of their position against health care reform. 
Fuckin' idiots!
Fuckin' idiots!
Cerise
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chcr
Too cute for words
Okay, now I"m confused. Is it Commie or Nazi. I don't think it can be both at the same time.Why is the right always calling people nazis?
That's kind of having your cake and eating it too, isn't it cato?
Fact is, Medicare works. 60%-70% of the health care in the US would go out of business if they stopped it. I wonder how many of you are aware that the Iraqis (yes, those Iraqis) have nationalized health care set up by the US? They deserve it after we tore up their country but we don't? I've said it before but it's just unconscionable that a nation as big and wealthy as ours doesn't have universal health care. Hell, Ike tried to get it pushed through. Unfortunately you still have mouth breathing idiots whining about "commie-nism" and we let those people vote.
catocom
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Medicare was setup so we could still have some freedom.
More gov. Now, means less freedom.
the balance atm is acceptible to me.
I see no need in my case, to put more strain on the people still paying.
I do think some somewhat smaller changes need to be made, but don't
trust 'this' gov. to make the right ones.
They have lost the trust, with all the 'fast eddie' politics.
More gov. Now, means less freedom.
the balance atm is acceptible to me.
I see no need in my case, to put more strain on the people still paying.
I do think some somewhat smaller changes need to be made, but don't
trust 'this' gov. to make the right ones.
They have lost the trust, with all the 'fast eddie' politics.
catocom
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here's the thing....
I'm in the system because I see no other alternative in my case atm.
I don't think it should be made more desirable to get into exclusively.
I don't want to cut my own nose off, but I don't need it lengthened atm.
as I said though, I do see need for some smaller corrections though.
I'm in the system because I see no other alternative in my case atm.
I don't think it should be made more desirable to get into exclusively.
I don't want to cut my own nose off, but I don't need it lengthened atm.
as I said though, I do see need for some smaller corrections though.
chcr
Too cute for words
The multiple payer format they're pushing right now is doomed to failure. There needs to be a single payer system and the only way that works is if the single payer is the government. It should be modeled after the medicare system. It's far from perfect but it's also far better then what exists now. Get past all the childish bullshit about socialism and communism, it's neither one. Most people have very little understanding what either one means, they just panic when their favorite self-important pundit starts throwing the words around. You should note that I have pretty good health care right now, and will have for the foreseeable future. In the long run, however, it's not sustainable and in any case there are too many people in Cato's situation. It's well past time for this situation to be addressed.
paul_valaru
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you stinkin commie!!!
catocom
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National Socialist Party. Sounds commie to me.
Works? It's broke. More & more doctors are refusing to participate in it. Government price control over medical costs. Maybe the government ought to price cap engineers too?
Medicare is a big government program that is so bloated it'd die a horrible death if it weren't for busy body politicians protecting thewir own self-interest (3rd rail). Much of the reason
medical costs are as high as they are is due to government caps. That money has to be made up somewhere. So, the hospital will charge $13 for an aspirin tablet to cover costs and
the legislated mandatory coverage of the indigent & illegal aliens.
Suddenly, a forty five cent aspirin is now $13. Why? Because, instead of covering costs of the care & the office personel to handle a thousand forms for billing from a thousand
companies & the Medicare/Medicaid debacle, it limits payouts. A $76 office visit & blood test needs to be billed at $126 plus lab, to get a $36. payout. $36 won't cover costs.
Insurance companies use government figures to set up reasonable & customary fees. So now, that $76 office vistis, including labs, is billed at $126, because the government
said that is the value. However, the insurance company, not having a legal mandate to screw the provider, must pay a contracted, mutually agreed upon 61% of R&C. That covers
costs, barely. It should cover completely, but somewhere along the line (early 90's I believe), the federal government stepped in & mandated that all kinds of additional coverages.
Now, the insurance company, which was billing it's customers at affordable rates, must jack those rates so it can cover legally required but not negotiated costs, such as birth control,
mental health & previously negotiable pre-existing condiitons. Instead of being able to charge additional premiums for, say, chronic heart conditions., they were forced to accept
those conditions after a beauracrat designated time period (6 months or a year).
Well, now, economics being what it is, they had to raise their negotiated fees every contract year in order to maintain both a profit (generally about 2-3%) & cover costs.
Instead of telling 8% of the population that they must pay more since they will cost more, the insurance company was forced to take on all comers. The only way to do that,
and maintain their business, was to raise costs. Additionally, a rapidly aging population requires more services. However, that rapidly aging population is less & less economically
and physically capable of returning to a productive life, so costs must rise on those who are productive. Can you say viscious cycle?
Now, throw the government into the mix, moreso than before. They are writing legislation which will, ultimately, destroy private insurance. They will also limit
treatment (productivity vs age). It'll also raise taxes since someone has to pay for all the boomers getting care. Which will lower the economic viability of the younger
worker (less capital). Less capital means fewer goods sold, meaning fewer workers. Fewer workers means fewer taxes which results in less treatment.
The private sector, allowed to operate ina capitalist system, controls costs, maintains viabiltiy, increases coverage & makes a profit.
Once the government gets involved, all costs go up. As has been repeatedly shown. Less efficient & more waste.
paul_valaru
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ribbed?
paul_valaru
100% Pure Canadian Beef
Bravo spike, bravo!